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Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: AB&E] #937957
02/28/11 01:32 AM
02/28/11 01:32 AM
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Granite Bay CA
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I was confused at how all of your text ran together and that you didnt bother to properly phrase your sentences. When people fail to capitalize words and use poor grammar, I figure that they are either lazy or uneducated.
Regarding GM versus Mopar power steering, I have owned several cars from both manufacturers. Have you ever driven a Caprice? The steering is overboosted in those cars too. I owned an 84 Chevy 1/2 ton truck. You could steer that truck with a swizzle stick. It was as if the tires were on ice. The police and performance model cars of GM did have a higher effort setup though. The IROC and TRANS AM models of the 80s had the highest effort of all that I had driven. Remember that while Mopars went front wheel drive for most of their cars after 1980, GM kept plugging away with the Camaro/Firebird, the Corvette, the GM A body Impala,Bonneville, etc and even the G body Monte Carlo,Cutlass,Regal, etc.
The Mopar taxi and police models had a slightly firmer feel to the steering, but the ratio was unchanged. The FIRM FEEL rebuild service of stage 1 should be equal to the standard OEM police/taxi setup. The stage 2 is slightly higher effort than the stage 1. The stage 3 has the highest effort of the 3, but is still not as high effort as the GM WS6 gear chuck used in 84-92 camaro and Trans Am models. As I stated earlier in another post, when the stage 3 chuck is used along with the fast ratio pitman and idler arms, the ratio improves AND the effort firms up even more due to the increased leverage of the longer steering arms. THIS setup feels equal to the GM WS6 setup in stock form.
In my Charger, I run 275-40-18 tires on 18X9 rims up front. The car feels like lightly boosted manual steering and you need a firm grip to rotate the wheel.

Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: Kern Dog] #937958
02/28/11 01:58 AM
02/28/11 01:58 AM
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Actually I am a little lazy & my typing skills suck. So does this matter to me if I have manuel steering as I see they only offer 1 ratio for this I believe. thanks for info

Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: AB&E] #937959
02/28/11 03:34 AM
02/28/11 03:34 AM
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Granite Bay CA
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I think that the Firm Feel manual chuck is a 20 to 1 ratio. Not a bad unit but a little slow for those guys who like to race autocross. The Flaming River 16 to 1 chuck may be good for some, but it can be difficult to steer a 3800 lb B body in parking lots! I'd guess that a 3200 lb A body would steer okay with a 16 to 1 chuck. How big are your arms?

Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: Kern Dog] #937960
02/28/11 04:12 AM
02/28/11 04:12 AM
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I must be the only person who likes the OEM steering overboost. Not saying I would autox with one, but since I don't, it isn't an issue.

My current ride has manual steering and is OK since I have lightened up the front of the car some. Just get it rolling even a little and it steers just fine.

Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: SomeCarGuy] #937961
02/28/11 05:33 PM
02/28/11 05:33 PM
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Central Florida
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I like the steering on my '88 Gran Fury ex-police. It is my daily driver. I wouldn't have a problem if it were slightly less boosted, but again, I like it fine.

I agree that FF makes nice stuff, but it is expensive, and sometimes you can find an equal part for much less. Not very often, but sometimes. Example; the aluminum K frame isolators for my '88 were much more expensive than from a guy I found after I bought mine from FF. His are equally good (some say better)as FF. Having an M body Mopar, I am thankful for Dick and FF. They offer alot of stuff for my car.

Larry

Last edited by larrymopar360; 02/28/11 05:34 PM.

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Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: larrymopar360] #937962
02/28/11 06:15 PM
02/28/11 06:15 PM
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central CT
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Firm Feel is A+ in my book.

They have always took the time to answer questions over the phone, even if it didn't lead directly to an order.

Every part of theirs that I've handled has been first rate, too!

I used several of their parts on my 79 300 and am getting ready to place an order for a stage 3 steering box and extra long pitman/idler for my Challenger. I'd be ordering their sway bars if I had the scratch, too!


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Re: FIRM FEEL INC. SUSPENSION [Re: Desmond] #937963
02/28/11 06:39 PM
02/28/11 06:39 PM
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I've purchased a box for my charger & my challenger from them & they're first class all the way. Dennis built a custom stage 2 power steering box for my hemi challenger, using a Volare box & trimming some fat for header clearance. I sent him pics w/ the stock box & where it was hitting & he sent me back pics of the changes he made to the new box for verification. I also got their big torsion bars & they were great.

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