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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934357
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??

If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.


It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....




I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934358
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934359
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934360
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??

If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.


It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....




I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.




He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934361
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934362
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??

If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.


It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....




I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.




He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account



You are right. To early in the morning.

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934363
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??

If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.


It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....




I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.




He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account



To early in the morning.



You can say that again, I had to reread the quotes which i did 3 times to figuare out what i was saying then i reread my replay good god i should of proof read no wonder your confused

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934364
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does anyone have the combos of the new super stock cars?


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934365
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt




2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????

why am i even building an LA 360

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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt




2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????

why am i even building an LA 360




thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934367
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt




2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????

why am i even building an LA 360




thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper



I don't have a part# but you will need a vin number from any 6.1 vehicle to help you.
If you get a part#. Please post it. Matt

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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?




This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt




2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????

why am i even building an LA 360




thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper



I don't have a part# but you will need a vin number from any 6.1 vehicle to help you.
If you get a part#. Please post it. Matt




here is response i just got on a 6.1 short block

The part # is 5159561AE but currently not available, if ordered might take 6-8 weeks to get in. Price is $2559.20


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934369
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I cant believe all these posts and "NO" pictures. Come on, a coparison would be great.

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The part # is 5159561AE but currently not available, if ordered might take 6-8 weeks to get in. Price is $2559.20




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Flatlander racing also has relatively cheap stroker rotating assys.

Not as cheap as "that one guy" (who I can't remember his name at the moment) on ebay, but very reasonable.

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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??




There is no publicized part number for an OEM 392 yet.
Even if there were, in a race application how do you propose to control it? It needs slightly more than spark and fuel!

Stuff like....has anyone ever seen a stand alone that would run mds? How about the variable intake manifold?
How about the VCT? Me neither.

How is a predator or trinity tune on an OE computer going to work with a 904, 5 grand converter and 4.88s in a gutted A body? Not particularly well

Not many folks want to run a huge, heavy mercedes transmission with a bunch of gears that will never be used in a drag car....Not many want to be forced into a stick shift....

So on/so forth etc

Don't get me wrong I like the OE 392, but it's got a bit more technology than most hot rodders are comfortable with at the moment The aftermarket controllers have to be able to run all the whiz bang high tech stuff, otherwise it ends up being kind of a mess


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Flatlanders K-1 kits

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/K1-hemi-kits.html

Callies

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/callies-hemi-kits.html




I notice those kits say on hemi engines up to 2009. that makes me think the pistons dont work with my $490 heads i just bought


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934374
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Flatlanders K-1 kits

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/K1-hemi-kits.html

Callies

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/callies-hemi-kits.html





I notice those kits say on hemi engines up to 2009. that makes me think the pistons dont work with my $490 heads i just bought




I'm hoping it due to the 09 having smaller cc. Maybe the 09 piston has a dish to it.

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Flatlander racing also has relatively cheap stroker rotating assys.

Not as cheap as "that one guy" (who I can't remember his name at the moment) on ebay, but very reasonable.

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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??




There is no publicized part number for an OEM 392 yet.
Even if there were, in a race application how do you propose to control it? It needs slightly more than spark and fuel!

Stuff like....has anyone ever seen a stand alone that would run mds? How about the variable intake manifold?
How about the VCT? Me neither.

How is a predator or trinity tune on an OE computer going to work with a 904, 5 grand converter and 4.88s in a gutted A body? Not particularly well

Not many folks want to run a huge, heavy mercedes transmission with a bunch of gears that will never be used in a drag car....Not many want to be forced into a stick shift....

So on/so forth etc

Don't get me wrong I like the OE 392, but it's got a bit more technology than most hot rodders are comfortable with at the moment The aftermarket controllers have to be able to run all the whiz bang high tech stuff, otherwise it ends up being kind of a mess




Well, when it gets here it will get figured out. It may take the lot of the electronics from a new SRT8 to get it done, and when it does it'll re-shape the Mopar hobby. I am also meaning more for elaborate street / strip / Pro touring type street cars. It would be pointless to do all of that to some gutted bracket car..


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934376
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Did some surfing and came up with these # 03 to 08 84.9 cc and 09 and up 64 cc.
Hope this helps. Matt

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