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New 5.7 hemi eagle head
Posted By: MattW
New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 02:20 AM
Well I just picked up a set of 09 heads and I have to say HOLY S*#T.
I will probably get flamed for this statement and by all means do want you want, but Why would anyone want to build a R3. Here you have a cylinder head that will flow 300cfm out of the box without any work and a factory valve job.
I will go out on a limb and say that the hemi is the best smallblock head ever produced. Be it a production head, W series or and INDY head !
We will see what this head is capable of.
By then way this head is complete with spark plugs for under 300 US.
Let the bashing commence. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 02:53 AM
pictures or we dont believe you
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 02:56 AM
$300 a piece sounds like a steal!
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 02:57 AM
got my own set for 530 out the door. still waiting to get them (out of state)
Now an affordable rotating assembly would be nice.
a 392 forged stroker for 1300$ would be nice.
justin
Posted By: fishy340
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:02 AM
bring it on EAGLE HEAD
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:08 AM
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pictures or we dont believe you
What pictures would you like?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:13 AM
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got my own set for 530 out the door. still waiting to get them (out of state)
Now an affordable rotating assembly would be nice.
a 392 forged stroker for 1300$ would be nice.
justin
Well for the price of an R3 you could get a 6.1 rotating assembly. Oh by the way that comes with a block and assembled 
Matt
Posted By: fishy340
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:23 AM
we gotta see how long those super duper heads take before all that power blows up the block u have to use
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:23 AM
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What pictures would you like?
intake port, combustion chamber, ex port 
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:28 AM
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we gotta see how long those super duper heads take before all that power blows up the block u have to use
Unfortunately you R right. We need a block similar to the LSX for around 2000.00
But they are pushing the factory block to 700 hp
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:32 AM
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pictures or we dont believe you
What pictures would you like?
intake port, combustion chamber, ex port
I will have it for you tomorrow.
I would like to know how much has to be milled from the head to fit the Jesel rockers?
Would it weaken the head
Posted By: Triple Threat
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:51 AM
$3,000 for the Jesel setup shall weaken your wallet.
Posted By: Cuda367
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:00 AM
Harlan Sharpe has what you need. What is max lift you can get on that Head?
Posted By: toddd
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:18 AM
no link????
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:16 AM
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got my own set for 530 out the door. still waiting to get them (out of state)
Now an affordable rotating assembly would be nice.
a 392 forged stroker for 1300$ would be nice.
justin
Well for the price of an R3 you could get a 6.1 rotating assembly. Oh by the way that comes with a block and assembled Matt
which block can handle the most power? Until they are truly tested I would stick with the Jr. How much are the new Mopar aluminum gen III block?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:29 PM
Well for the price of an R3 you could get a 6.1 rotating assembly. Oh by the way that comes with a block and assembled
Matt
which block can handle the most power? Until they are truly tested I would stick with the Jr. How much are the new Mopar aluminum gen III block?
Some of the forced induction are making up around 1200 hp.I think the 6.1 is the stronger one but BES did use a 5.7 for their Engine Master Challenge build up. 700 hp out of a 417cid on pump gas with a hydraulic.
The aluminum blocks are 4000.00 to 4500.00. Matt
Posted By: justinp61
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:37 PM
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which block can handle the most power?
Apples to oranges IMHO, compare the new Hemi block to a production 340 or 360. Now the new aluminum Hemi block to a R-3 would be a fair question.
The only thing holding me back on a new hemi is valve train parts and cams. From what I've read a 650-700 hp pump gas street/strip is not out of the question.
What is the p/n for the complete heads?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 03:55 PM
53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head.
Make sure you look at the laser scan on the head. The number is there also. They have been known to mix up the heads. Matt
I am trying to post picture but having a hard time.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:21 PM
can someone please tell me if you can swap the heads to turn the manifolds around?
Posted By: Blown69
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:45 PM
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can someone please tell me if you can swap the heads to turn the manifolds around?
If you want to point the manifolds forward go ahead. You just will be eliminating the EGR port 
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:50 PM
Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:52 PM
Pictures are coming I have to figure out how to resize them.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:55 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Posted By: justinp61
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 04:58 PM
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53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head.
$704 out the door at my local dealer.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 05:25 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 06:07 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote
Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......
So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:03 PM
I just called my parts guy.
The price i got was pretty damn impressive.
But he says there is note that the heads have
no valve train on them, says they are core heads.
So who has actaully seen these heads and what comes on them?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:14 PM
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I just called my parts guy.
The price i got was pretty damn impressive.
But he says there is note that the heads have
no valve train on them, says they are core heads.
So who has actaully seen these heads and what comes on them?
I have them in front of me. Mine came assembled and with spark plugs.
No rocker arms or shafts.
Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:16 PM
Posted By: mopardad
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:19 PM
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I just called my parts guy.
The price i got was pretty damn impressive.
But he says there is note that the heads have
no valve train on them, says they are core heads.
So who has actaully seen these heads and what comes on them?
I have them in front of me. Mine came assembled and with spark plugs.
No rocker arms or shafts.
Matt
This is correct, my son has a set we bolted them on untouched & they work great
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:28 PM
I was surprised when I opened the box. Go to be close to $100 in plugs.
Posted By: mshred
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:31 PM
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I was surprised when I opened the box. Go to be close to $100 in plugs.
if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for them and what local dealer did you get them from?
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 07:52 PM
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Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Already did, about a year ago or therabouts.
Response was aluminum, aluminum, and aluminum.
That was the end of that
Posted By: chrisf
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 08:03 PM
googled the pt#'s and came up with some tampa dealers. $222 each
http://checkanumber.com/advsearch.php?start=290200
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 08:24 PM
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I was surprised when I opened the box. Go to be close to $100 in plugs.
if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for them and what local dealer did you get them from?
The best over here was 359.00 Canadian. Look at Dodgeparts.com it will give you a ballpark figure. You may get them cheaper there but remember, when you buy from a dealer close to you, you save delivery. Matt
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Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 08:35 PM
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Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Already did, about a year ago or therabouts.
Response was aluminum, aluminum, and aluminum.
That was the end of that
Yeah I figure they are catering to people with money.
I just read that the 392 is only going to be 1492 units, so maybe the 6.1 isn't dead.
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 08:36 PM
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I just called my parts guy.
The price i got was pretty damn impressive.
But he says there is note that the heads have
no valve train on them, says they are core heads.
So who has actaully seen these heads and what comes on them?
I have them in front of me. Mine came assembled and with spark plugs.
No rocker arms or shafts.
Matt
Ok so you just use the stock valve train off of another set of heads.
Thanks for your help!
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 08:41 PM
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I just called my parts guy.
The price i got was pretty damn impressive.
But he says there is note that the heads have
no valve train on them, says they are core heads.
So who has actaully seen these heads and what comes on them?
I have them in front of me. Mine came assembled and with spark plugs.
No rocker arms or shafts.
Matt
Ok so you just use the stock valve train off of another set of heads.
Thanks for your help!
Or afterrmarket. Harland Sharp , Jesel, and Rocker ARM Specialist is rumored to be coming out with a set. I am sure TD has something in the works.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 09:19 PM
i just paid $494.
had to put them on a card. so it will probably turn into $800
Posted By: brianw
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 09:34 PM
if you swap heads you will have a oil leak . the drain backs are in different positions from one side to the other . if you swap manifolds you should be able to drill and tap for the extra bolt holes
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 09:34 PM
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Yeah I figure they are catering to people with money.
I just read that the 392 is only going to be 1492 units, so maybe the 6.1 isn't dead.
I tried...
6.1 is still being installed in "normal" cars, so for now it's good, no worries.
Nice to hear you weren't hit with "international pricing" on the heads 
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 09:35 PM
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if you swap heads you will have a oil leak . the drain backs are in different positions from one side to the other . if you swap manifolds you should be able to drill and tap for the extra bolt holes
good info. thanks
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:19 PM
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i just paid $494.
Ridiculously cheap 
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:38 PM
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Yeah I figure they are catering to people with money.
I just read that the 392 is only going to be 1492 units, so maybe the 6.1 isn't dead.
I tried...
6.1 is still being installed in "normal" cars, so for now it's good, no worries.
Nice to hear you weren't hit with "international pricing" on the heads
Yeah it called traveling across the border. Seriously I don't know how they sell stuff over here.?
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:44 PM
Whatever works!
I'm not going to pretend to understand the pricing thing
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:45 PM
I forgot to mention what is the part # for the new Ali block I have P5153838 but it is coming up some type of suspension part.
Has anyone done any testing on it?
As for you trying thanks try a bigger hammer next time.lol
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:52 PM
So where is the cheapest place to get a 5.7 -> 392 forged rotating assembly.
that is what i want to know.....
someone has to know...
jm
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 10:57 PM
p5155507 is the one I think most will want. It comes already bored to 4.125.
There are three other part numbers all with smaller bores.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 11:01 PM
So what is the price for the aluminum block? Who makes the aftermarket cranks? What is the rod journal size on a stock crank?
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/22/11 11:12 PM
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So where is the cheapest place to get a 5.7 -> 392 forged rotating assembly.
ebay
Posted By: Bill_T
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 12:35 AM
You can bolt the eagles on an earlier 5.7 block as an upgrade, or no?
If you bought one of the 6.1 liter shortblocks you could bolt them on that and go, or?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 12:42 AM
Price for the block is 4000.00 to 4500.00 depending on which one you purchase.
For the crank you can get a 6.1 forged for around 400.00
I know Arrington is selling their cranks 4.25 for aroung 1000.00 this is a K1 but you can only buy it through them. Apparently BES bought theirs through them.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 12:52 AM
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You can bolt the eagles on an earlier 5.7 block as an upgrade, or no?
If you bought one of the 6.1 liter shortblocks you could bolt them on that and go, or?
yes you can. Think of it this way the 5.7 up to 2008 is like the 318 and the 6.1 is like the 360. you can swap them back and forth but you would have to open the intake port a bit for the increase size of the 6.1 intake.
The new 5.7 eagle is the same size as the 6.1 intake port size.
you can bolt on these heads and go.
as for bolting on these heads to a stock 5.7 I don't know if you would see any gain.
The stock 5.7 head work extremely well.
Once I receive my junkyard 5.7 I want to find this out.
One thing, the new head has a different exhaust port don't know if the stock logs will work.
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 01:33 AM
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So where is the cheapest place to get a 5.7 -> 392 forged rotating assembly.
ebay
i look. i never see them there. EVER!
need a link for proof 
Posted By: mopardad
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 02:41 AM
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You can bolt the eagles on an earlier 5.7 block as an upgrade, or no?
If you bought one of the 6.1 liter shortblocks you could bolt them on that and go, or?
yes you can. Think of it this way the 5.7 up to 2008 is like the 318 and the 6.1 is like the 360. you can swap them back and forth but you would have to open the intake port a bit for the increase size of the 6.1 intake.
The new 5.7 eagle is the same size as the 6.1 intake port size.
you can bolt on these heads and go.
as for bolting on these heads to a stock 5.7 I don't know if you would see any gain.
The stock 5.7 head work extremely well.
Once I receive my junkyard 5.7 I want to find this out.
One thing, the new head has a different exhaust port don't know if the stock logs will work.
yes you will see a gain, sons Magnum went from 14.15 stock to 11.99, Eagle heads & manifold 268 Comp Cam long tube headers, Eagle exhaust port opening is the same as 6.1
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:05 AM
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You can bolt the eagles on an earlier 5.7 block as an upgrade, or no?
If you bought one of the 6.1 liter shortblocks you could bolt them on that and go, or?
yes you can. Think of it this way the 5.7 up to 2008 is like the 318 and the 6.1 is like the 360. you can swap them back and forth but you would have to open the intake port a bit for the increase size of the 6.1 intake.
The new 5.7 eagle is the same size as the 6.1 intake port size.
you can bolt on these heads and go.
as for bolting on these heads to a stock 5.7 I don't know if you would see any gain.
The stock 5.7 head work extremely well.
Once I receive my junkyard 5.7 I want to find this out.
One thing, the new head has a different exhaust port don't know if the stock logs will work.
shouldnt there be a nice increase in compression from the old to the new?
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:09 AM
stock head gaskets 04 - 08 engines about 9.5 to 1
09 heads on an 04-08 = 12:1 with stock gasket
with a .050 gasket is close to 11.5 to 1
dont quote me on exact numbers but these are close.
Posted By: mopardad
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:19 AM
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stock head gaskets 04 - 08 engines about 9.5 to 1
09 heads on an 04-08 = 12:1 with stock gasket
with a .050 gasket is close to 11.5 to 1
dont quote me on exact numbers but these are close.
you probably would not want to use a stock gasket without adding a extra shim, a stock gasket with a shim will give about .040 piston to head clearance
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 07:59 AM
Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 01:51 PM
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 02:02 PM
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....
I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 02:17 PM
in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
Yes...do tell..? hope this is real..
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 02:36 PM
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....
I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.
He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 02:57 PM
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:01 PM
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....
I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.
He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account
You are right. To early in the morning.
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:12 PM
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
If that motor will propel a 4100# Challenger to 12.29 and get 23MPG imagine what it'll do in a 3000# A-body....stock. Just add a predator or trinity tune and cheap bolt-ons and you are set. No BS.
It going to be a little while before the 6.4L b/c avaiable the hot ticket is the older 5.7 with the eagle head or the 6.1. As of righ now i pretty sure that there is no after market support for the vht controled motors which includes the 6.4L i sure this will change in a little amount of time but you got to wait.....
I think he was referring to the 392 crate engine.
He is refereing to the 6.4/392 in the srt challenger as you can see he posted the 1/4 mile time of the 2011 srt8 challenger. The 392 crate engine is a beast but it will break the bank at 16K using the production engines is much much much easier on the bank account
To early in the morning.
You can say that again, I had to reread the quotes which i did 3 times to figuare out what i was saying then i reread my replay good god i should of proof read no wonder your confused
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:21 PM
does anyone have the combos of the new super stock cars?
Posted By: mshred
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:22 PM
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt
2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????
why am i even building an LA 360 
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 03:38 PM
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt
2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????
why am i even building an LA 360
thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 04:00 PM
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt
2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????
why am i even building an LA 360
thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper
I don't have a part# but you will need a vin number from any 6.1 vehicle to help you.
If you get a part#. Please post it. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 05:31 PM
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in one of the other threads a while back regarding the new hemi stuff, I believe Zippy said you can buy a 6.1 short block for $1000. is this true?
This is the bare block.
You can get a short block for around 2700.00 Matt
2700 for a 6.1 hemi longblock????
why am i even building an LA 360
thats a short block. is there a part number for it, i will call the place i just bought the heads from to see if it could be had cheaper
I don't have a part# but you will need a vin number from any 6.1 vehicle to help you.
If you get a part#. Please post it. Matt
here is response i just got on a 6.1 short block
The part # is 5159561AE but currently not available, if ordered might take 6-8 weeks to get in. Price is $2559.20
Posted By: Cudajon
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 05:40 PM
I cant believe all these posts and "NO" pictures. Come on, a coparison would be great.
Posted By: gdemon
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 06:25 PM
The part # is 5159561AE but currently not available, if ordered might take 6-8 weeks to get in. Price is $2559.20
There is only one in the system and its in New York. PORT JEFF CHRY JEEP INC
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 06:26 PM
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 08:41 PM
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 09:51 PM
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Flatlanders K-1 kits
http://www.flatlanderracing.com/K1-hemi-kits.html
Callies
http://www.flatlanderracing.com/callies-hemi-kits.html
I notice those kits say on hemi engines up to 2009. that makes me think the pistons dont work with my $490 heads i just bought
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 11:37 PM
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http://www.flatlanderracing.com/K1-hemi-kits.html
Callies
http://www.flatlanderracing.com/callies-hemi-kits.html
I notice those kits say on hemi engines up to 2009. that makes me think the pistons dont work with my $490 heads i just bought
I'm hoping it due to the 09 having smaller cc. Maybe the 09 piston has a dish to it.
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/23/11 11:53 PM
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Flatlander racing also has relatively cheap stroker rotating assys.
Not as cheap as "that one guy" (who I can't remember his name at the moment) on ebay, but very reasonable.
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Why bother with 5.7L VCT stuff when a new bone stock 392 will run 10's in your racecar and get near 30MPG on the street??
There is no publicized part number for an OEM 392 yet.
Even if there were, in a race application how do you propose to control it? It needs slightly more than spark and fuel!
Stuff like....has anyone ever seen a stand alone that would run mds? How about the variable intake manifold?
How about the VCT? Me neither.
How is a predator or trinity tune on an OE computer going to work with a 904, 5 grand converter and 4.88s in a gutted A body? Not particularly well
Not many folks want to run a huge, heavy mercedes transmission with a bunch of gears that will never be used in a drag car....Not many want to be forced into a stick shift....
So on/so forth etc 
Don't get me wrong I like the OE 392, but it's got a bit more technology than most hot rodders are comfortable with at the moment The aftermarket controllers have to be able to run all the whiz bang high tech stuff, otherwise it ends up being kind of a mess
Well, when it gets here it will get figured out. It may take the lot of the electronics from a new SRT8 to get it done, and when it does it'll re-shape the Mopar hobby. I am also meaning more for elaborate street / strip / Pro touring type street cars. It would be pointless to do all of that to some gutted bracket car..
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 12:08 AM
Did some surfing and came up with these # 03 to 08 84.9 cc and 09 and up 64 cc.
Hope this helps. Matt
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 12:18 AM
www.shophemi.com has info and pics
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 01:25 AM
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does anyone have the combos of the new super stock cars?
i have heard of a stocker 6.1 A/stock engine making over 600hp peak. i dont even want to think about a super stock engine 
My heads will be here this weekend...I will try to take pics.
I think bang for the buck, old short block with eagle heads is going to out do the 392 hemi for awhile.
Just wish the damn drag pak intake wasnt so expensive.
It looks like an eagle intake is the next to order.
Anyone have the username who sells the hemi rotating assemblies on EBAY?
justin
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 01:28 AM
What is a Eagle intake
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 02:01 AM
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Did some surfing and came up with these # 03 to 08 84.9 cc and 09 and up 64 cc.
Hope this helps. Matt
Did some more research and I think if you use the 09 head on a stock bottom 5.7 I think compression will be almost 2 point higher so instead of 9.6 you would have 11.6. Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 02:05 AM
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does anyone have the combos of the new super stock cars?
i have heard of a stocker 6.1 A/stock engine making over 600hp peak. i dont even want to think about a super stock engine
My heads will be here this weekend...I will try to take pics.
I think bang for the buck, old short block with eagle heads is going to out do the 392 hemi for awhile.
Just wish the damn drag pak intake wasnt so expensive.
It looks like an eagle intake is the next to order.
Anyone have the username who sells the hemi rotating assemblies on EBAY?
justin
Indy has an intake for the new hemi. If it performs as well as the Indy 360-3 it will be a good piece. Matt
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 02:33 AM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Posted By: STEFF
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 02:52 AM
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drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Expensive......yes, but there's nothing cooler!!
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:02 AM
is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
Posted By: NitroFixx
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 05:06 AM
Got a couple for just under $300ca a piece
Hey Zippy I'm still wondering why every body's calling them eagles when in StarParts they are just a 2009 & up 5.7L VVT head. I think the only reference was to some preproduction codename. Nowhere do i find that codename refereced now, what are your thoughts on this nomenclature?
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 06:02 AM
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Got a couple for just under $300ca a piece
Hey Zippy I'm still wondering why every body's calling them eagles when in StarParts they are just a 2009 & up 5.7L VVT head. I think the only reference was to some preproduction codename. Nowhere do i find that codename refereced now, what are your thoughts on this nomenclature?
09+ 5.7L Named Eagle
11+ 6.4L Named Apache
Word is a 600 HP Apache is in development now...
This Company is NOT messing around...with their Ferrari / Maserati company owning..owners.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 12:45 PM
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Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
Car was running. I tore the engine apart to port the heads & change cam. Should have it all back together soon.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 01:08 PM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:29 PM
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Got a couple for just under $300ca a piece
Hey Zippy I'm still wondering why every body's calling them eagles when in StarParts they are just a 2009 & up 5.7L VVT head. I think the only reference was to some preproduction codename. Nowhere do i find that codename refereced now, what are your thoughts on this nomenclature?
09+ 5.7L Named Eagle
11+ 6.4L Named Apache
Word is a 600 HP Apache is in development now...
This Company is NOT messing around...with their Ferrari / Maserati company owning..owners.
That's correct on the internal "code names".
Though I know next to nothing about OE development, I know for sure the MP carbureted 392 crate motor was good for over 600 real measured HP. The only difference between it and the FI version is the tall single plane intake....that big manifold is the real deal. The catalog 540HP rating on the carb motor was very conservative....The FI version's 525 rating was very close to reality.
Taking carb, huge intake and no emissions requirements into account on the performance side, and taking variable cam/intake/larger budget/larger staff/more resources available on the OE side, I would have to predict the OE should be able to make the same or better power than the carb performance crate motor
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:29 PM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Do you have a part #?
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:44 PM
I read that the 600 horse version was going to be supercharged.
Its said to go compete with the GT500 and ZL1..even though the 392 will run with both of them as is.
It was on allpar from someone that works at Chrysler, said it was in development.
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:47 PM
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I read that the 600 horse version was going to be supercharged.
Its said to go compete with the GT500 and ZL1..even though the 392 will run with both of them as is.
It was on allpar from someone that works at Chrysler, said it was in development.
I think the problem with the 6.4L is not the HP it was the emissions. The last tune for the production 6.4L was over 500hp but couldn't pass emission standards. I am guess a supercharged version would be an easier way to solve that problems
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 04:57 PM
09 LC challenger 5.7 hemi = 68048131AB
304 list
around 200$ dealer cost.
Posted By: mike s
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 05:24 PM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt
The production SRV intakes are not compatible with earlier 5.7L or even 6.1L engines.
Posted By: mike s
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 05:35 PM
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I read that the 600 horse version was going to be supercharged.
Its said to go compete with the GT500 and ZL1..even though the 392 will run with both of them as is.
It was on allpar from someone that works at Chrysler, said it was in development.
I think the problem with the 6.4L is not the HP it was the emissions. The last tune for the production 6.4L was over 500hp but couldn't pass emission standards. I am guess a supercharged version would be an easier way to solve that problems
Where does this stuff come from? Last production tune at 500 h.p.? Emissions problems? Please realize that just because it was on ALLPAR or even here does not mean it is accurate.
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 05:45 PM
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I read that the 600 horse version was going to be supercharged.
Its said to go compete with the GT500 and ZL1..even though the 392 will run with both of them as is.
It was on allpar from someone that works at Chrysler, said it was in development.
I think the problem with the 6.4L is not the HP it was the emissions. The last tune for the production 6.4L was over 500hp but couldn't pass emission standards. I am guess a supercharged version would be an easier way to solve that problems
Where does this stuff come from? Last production tune at 500 h.p.? Emissions problems? Please realize that just because it was on ALLPAR or even here does not mean it is accurate.
LOL This came from this site i would have to look back into which thread the srt-8 6.4 has a very mellow tune b/c when they were dynoing it they couldn't get it to pass emission with the agressive tune. Also if you go to the LXforums they have the srt-engineers and you could asked them if you like. Just b/c you read it on the internet doesn't mean it is not accurate you have to do some research
Posted By: mike s
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 05:54 PM
Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 06:06 PM
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Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.
Maybe you should learn to read i said the last one for the production tune was over 500HP but didn't pass emissions thus the mellow tune. Production is reference to the 6.4L as there is a production verison and a crate form 2 different beast.. Thus the reasoning for having to state production. like i said do your research there buddy. Its clear you haven't been following these great threads on the new hemi if you have doubts ask a questions. You coming out quoting me being plan rude for about somehting you have no clue about just leads to 
Sorry guys for derailing this thread i placed him on my ingnore list so i don't cont. with this useless stuff
Also i used the search function i was mistaken
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6304209&Main=6304197
Posted By: justinp61
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 06:32 PM
Does anyone know of an actual build, 5.7, 6.1 stroker with actual dyno numbers? A list of parts? What will work together? Cams and valve train parts? These engins are capeable of a ton of power, but a guy could spend a lot of money and have a bunch os mismatched parts. I'd like to build one, a stroker, carbureted on pump gas that would make 650-700 hp. It may not be possible though
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Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 06:43 PM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt
The production SRV intakes are not compatible with earlier 5.7L or even 6.1L engines.
I have 09 heads bolting on to an 04 short block. I plan on using an 09 eagle intake with aftermarket EFI to run the system.
If you look at lxforums.com they have good info on the 09 eagle intake swap on to older engines. Adapters are avaiable for this swap it appears.
I think the gain comes from the combination of cam, heads, intake package. Not just one of the three.
On an 09 LC (challenger intake) i see no tuning valve listed in description and operation on dealerconnect. If needed I will take the intake off to find out.
justin
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 06:56 PM
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What is a Eagle intake
basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.
guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list
Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt
The production SRV intakes are not compatible with earlier 5.7L or even 6.1L engines.
I have 09 heads bolting on to an 04 short block. I plan on using an 09 eagle intake with aftermarket EFI to run the system.
If you look at lxforums.com they have good info on the 09 eagle intake swap on to older engines. Adapters are avaiable for this swap it appears.
I think the gain comes from the combination of cam, heads, intake package. Not just one of the three.
On an 09 LC (challenger intake) i see no tuning valve listed in description and operation on dealerconnect. If needed I will take the intake off to find out.
justin
Thanks Justin this is the info we need. I glad you understood my question. Matt
Posted By: patrick
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 07:01 PM
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
XV makes one, too
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 07:24 PM
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
XV makes one, too
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
not quite as bad a$$ looking as the one steff has
Posted By: mike s
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 07:39 PM
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Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.
Maybe you should learn to read i said the last one for the production tune was over 500HP but didn't pass emissions thus the mellow tune. Production is reference to the 6.4L as there is a production verison and a crate form 2 different beast.. Thus the reasoning for having to state production. like i said do your research there buddy. Its clear you haven't been following these great threads on the new hemi if you have doubts ask a questions. You coming out quoting me being plan rude for about somehting you have no clue about just leads to
Sorry guys for derailing this thread i placed him on my ingnore list so i don't cont. with this useless stuff
Also i used the search function i was mistaken
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6304209&Main=6304197
I said there was no production cal at 500 h.p. That is all I said.No need to get upset.
As far as the intake compatibilty I should have added an aftermarket controller would be needed.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 08:08 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote
Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......
So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Now I read that the 2011 srt 8 challenger is using the 6.1 block and not the 5.7 as I previously stated.
With a 4.09 bore I don't think the 5.7 block could handle it.
It is also coming with roller rockets. I like to see the part# and pricing on them. Matt
Posted By: SRT6776
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 08:48 PM
Ralph Gilles (Dodge CEO) said the 6.4L was very capable of making 500HP but torque would suffer (per the engineers), so they did what they did to get 470 lb-ft out of it instead.
Its in here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkgFBf4ZJk
Posted By: patrick
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/24/11 10:51 PM
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
XV makes one, too
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More
not quite as bad a$$ looking as the one steff has
but you don't need an 8" scoop to fit it 
so $499 for the heads and $3000 for rockers
that dollar cost averages to $3499 for a 700+hp set of heads...?
whats the dilema?
cheapst
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 03:12 AM
I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...
The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...
Posted By: topbrent
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 04:37 AM
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I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...
The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...
Few questions for the Gen III experts. Sorry if these are rudimentary and covered elsewhere...:
- How much lift can the stock rockers handle?
- How much spring can the stock rockers handle?
- At what point do the stock rockers become unsuitable, a liability, and/or unstable?
- Can you sufficiently cam the engine to use the higher lift flow that is available and still use the stock rockers?
- Can the stock rockers handle .600+ lift?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 12:54 PM
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so $499 for the heads and $3000 for rockers
that dollar cost averages to $3499 for a 700+hp set of heads...?
whats the dilema?
cheapst
You know I was thinking the same thing. I am moaning about having no iron race block to play with. We do have the aluminum at 4000.00.
If they were to come out with an iron block it would probably be around the same price as an R3.
So yeah your R paying more but it is lighter and you can repair it. The heads are cheap and plentiful.
In the long run I THINK it would be cheaper than an R3 build.
Matt
Posted By: Blown69
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 03:39 PM
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I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...
The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...
Few questions for the Gen III experts. Sorry if these are rudimentary and covered elsewhere...:
- How much lift can the stock rockers handle?
- How much spring can the stock rockers handle?
- At what point do the stock rockers become unsuitable, a liability, and/or unstable?
- Can you sufficiently cam the engine to use the higher lift flow that is available and still use the stock rockers?
- Can the stock rockers handle .600+ lift?
The stock valve springs are 98#'s @1.77 (closed), and 242#'s @ 1.28 (open). Yes, the stock rockers and handle .600+ lift, many guys have been doing it for a long time. Manley makes direct replacment springs that will handle up to .650 and there are many companys out there making cams that will use all that lift.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 04:24 PM
is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they dont stamp a date on the engine somewhere
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 05:06 PM
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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere
Is your engine complete or you just have a block?
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 05:14 PM
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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere
Is your engine complete or you just have a block?
complete. but i still think if it was only a block there should be some way of telling a difference
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 05:21 PM
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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere
Is your engine complete or you just have a block?
complete. but i still think if it was only a block there should be some way of telling a difference
Ok try this above the oil pan passenger side should be a bunch of numbers. Let me know.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 06:10 PM
4NX5 7LTK203310871
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 06:22 PM
The general consensus is the first # is the year so 04 letter I THINK month DEC. 5.7 TRUCK FOR TK.
If you have the ignition wires crossing over the intake you have and early model. I think 06 it stopped. Hope this helps. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 06:44 PM
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The general consensus is the first # is the year so 04 letter I THINK month DEC. 5.7 TRUCK FOR TK.
If you have the ignition wires crossing over the intake you have and early model. I think 06 it stopped. Hope this helps. Matt
it does have wires going over the top. i was scared because the part number you put up for the heads is the same part number on my heads on the engine except the letters at the end of the part number. this is number on the head 53021609ba
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/25/11 07:03 PM
I wish I could download my pictures. If you pull your logs off and you have a D shape port then you have 09 head. Maybe somebody switched the heads already. Congrats you have two sets of heads. Lol
I am almost positive you have a 2004 block. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 03:29 AM
heads came today
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 03:31 AM
castings are so smooth
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 03:33 AM
chambers
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 04:12 AM
exhaust
Posted By: TrWaters
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 04:49 PM
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
I thought this one was kind of cool. 
Posted By: nitroram33
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 07:20 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote
Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......
So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
The new SRT-8s are using the 6.4L and the 6.1L is dead.
Posted By: nitroram33
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 07:22 PM
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Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Already did, about a year ago or therabouts.
Response was aluminum, aluminum, and aluminum.
That was the end of that
Yeah I figure they are catering to people with money.
I just read that the 392 is only going to be 1492 units, so maybe the 6.1 isn't dead.
The "392 Edition" is what is limited production, the 6.4L will go into all the new SRT-8s.
Posted By: nitroram33
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/26/11 07:29 PM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote
Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......
So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Now I read that the 2011 srt 8 challenger is using the 6.1 block and not the 5.7 as I previously stated.
With a 4.09 bore I don't think the 5.7 block could handle it.
It is also coming with roller rockets. I like to see the part# and pricing on them. Matt
SE - 3.6L Phoenix V6
R/T - 5.7L HEMI
SRT-8 - 6.4L HEMI
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 12:05 AM
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?
Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs
I thought this one was kind of cool.
a guess, hot heads intake for a 392 with adapter plates?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 12:48 AM
got this on the net." now for the useful stuff.
Cylinder heads. big changes here, new closed chamber heads have smaller chambers (duh) than previous engines , 66.3cc in fact vs 84.9cc. even smaller than the 6.1's with 73.0cc. bolting these on to a previous hemi without modification would result in nearly a 12:1 compression ratio. valves are slightly larger. intake is 2.05" vs 2.00". exhaust is the same. both valves have a longer stem though. new bee hive valve springs, identical on both intake and exhaust are now in use, and seem to mimic what we have been doing in using the 6.1 exhaust springs across all valves. pushrods have changed as well, they are now approximately 4mm longer, putting them very close in length to the 6.1's pushrods.
ports appear to have a 6.1 sized window on the intake side, as well as a 6.1 style D shape on the exhaust. a quick comparisson with a 6.1 exhaust manifold looks like it was nearly a perfect match.
tappets: i wouldnt normally cover this, but i actually made notes in class because of this. they have been revised for higher lift with proper MDS actuation. the stock cams have higher lift, requiring more capacity to collapse in MDS. the new lifters do this constantly in factory form. further more, they are backwards compatible. they will drop right in to an older 5.7 (or any previous hemi built with MDS)
intake manifold: this is a gray area, as there are approximately 4 or 5 different manifolds available for use on the eagle. the trucks use an active intake version where as the cars do not. the active intake allows the ram to have 390 horsepower and 404 ft*lbs of torque by giving it short and long runners in the intake. a very cool design, but nothing groundbreaking, v6's have it as well.
Once again not my info. Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 12:53 AM
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.
But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair
As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.
They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt
Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote
Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......
So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt
Now I read that the 2011 srt 8 challenger is using the 6.1 block and not the 5.7 as I previously stated.
With a 4.09 bore I don't think the 5.7 block could handle it.
It is also coming with roller rockets. I like to see the part# and pricing on them. Matt
SE - 3.6L Phoenix V6
R/T - 5.7L HEMI
SRT-8 - 6.4L HEMI
I was referring the the 6.1 block. It's good to know that the 6.4 is going to be used in all srt8. That means that the bigger crankshaft will be for sale. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 01:26 AM
Matt, make note of this, my heads have the same part number but are completely different.
the only difference with the part # is the letters at the end of the part number
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 01:50 AM
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Matt, make note of this, my heads have the same part number but are completely different.
the only difference with the part # is the letters at the end of the part number
Yeah you would think they would change SOME of the numbers.
Is there any info on the year of your block. I would like to know if my info is correct. If not I would like to know how you tell the different years.
Are you planning to run with a carb or EFI?
Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head *DELETED* *DELETED* - 02/27/11 02:18 AM
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Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/27/11 02:36 AM
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Matt, make note of this, my heads have the same part number but are completely different.
the only difference with the part # is the letters at the end of the part number
Yeah you would think they would change SOME of the numbers.
Is there any info on the year of your block. I would like to know if my info is correct. If not I would like to know how you tell the different years.
Are you planning to run with a carb or EFI?
Matt
no clue. ive called dealerships. i have a thread on the LX forums. no one knows. you may be right though
i'm a carb guy. i dont like sensors
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/01/11 01:59 AM
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/02/11 04:56 PM
Who has the OEM Part # for the 6.1 crankshaft?
I don't want the Mopar Performance #. Matt
Posted By: wldtm
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/02/11 05:04 PM
05037458BD
is the latest and greatest one I think.
My opinion if you want a forged one, get one off ebay. They can be found dirt cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-1-HEMI-...sQ5fAccessories
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/02/11 06:57 PM
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05037458BD
is the latest and greatest one I think.
My opinion if you want a forged one, get one off ebay. They can be found dirt cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-1-HEMI-...sQ5fAccessories
Thank you sir.
Posted By: all spooled up
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/11 03:54 PM
did any one flow these new heads thanks
Posted By: all spooled up
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/11 10:42 PM
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 01:21 AM
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did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
not bad? are you kidding..thats phenominal..
272 @ .400" I lift
get them to CC the port runners while your at it.
cheapst
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 03:40 AM
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not bad? are you kidding..thats phenominal..
272 @ .400" I lift
get them to CC the port runners while your at it.
cheapst
That with a 4" bore. Superflow 1020. I will try to CC the intake port tomorrow.
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 04:43 AM
Few questions for the Gen III experts. Sorry if these are rudimentary and covered elsewhere...:
- How much lift can the stock rockers handle?
- How much spring can the stock rockers handle?
- At what point do the stock rockers become unsuitable, a liability, and/or unstable?
- Can you sufficiently cam the engine to use the higher lift flow that is available and still use the stock rockers?
- Can the stock rockers handle .600+ lift?
- Stock rocker's are safe to .585" lift.
- I'd be more concerned about spring rate. Manley or PSI are my favorite 2 of valve spring choices.
- Spun the stock rocker's up to 8400 rpm. The main concern is harmonic's and premature wear to the rockershaft's.
- ??? Probably not.
-No, unless you buy custom valve springs.
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 05:05 AM
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so $499 for the heads and $3000 for rockers
that dollar cost averages to $3499 for a 700+hp set of heads...?
whats the dilema?
cheapst
The $3000 Jessel rocker's + additional machining work? Don't bother unless you only want to spin the motor to 6500 rpm. The way the Jessel system works uses a hole drilled into the side of the lifter to pump them up from the lifter oil galley. Very old school and very lucky the lifters made it to 6500 rpm. Whereas with the stock top oil system, the oil is deadheaded at the lifter which darn near makes it a solid lifter which is good for 8000 rpm +.
Posted By: gremlinsteve
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 05:18 AM
hi jerry!!!
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 06:01 AM
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hi jerry!!!
Hi Steve 
I'd really like to buy all those crankshafts.
Posted By: all spooled up
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/02/11 12:56 PM
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did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
thanks
Posted By: LSP
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 02:08 AM
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Does anyone know of an actual build, 5.7, 6.1 stroker with actual dyno numbers? A list of parts? What will work together? Cams and valve train parts? These engins are capeable of a ton of power, but a guy could spend a lot of money and have a bunch os mismatched parts. I'd like to build one, a stroker, carbureted on pump gas that would make 650-700 hp. It may not be possible though .
It's possible, I saw a naturally aspirated 4100 lb. Charger streeter on slicks last week that has gone 10.70's in the 1/4.
Posted By: gremlinsteve
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 02:32 AM
dyno numbers...there are tons of the cars running those combinations and running very well.
steve
Posted By: LSP
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 02:36 AM
I forget what he told me on dyno #'s, I remember it was RWHP, Chris at ShopHemi can tell you all about it.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 02:44 AM
I've got Dyno Numbers!! My Gen 3 Hemi is still warm from being dyno'd out at Muscle Motors today. I'll post all the details tomorrow, in my own thread. I'm too pooped to do it right now.
Posted By: gremlinsteve
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 02:50 AM
for wich engine. i might know it already
steve
Posted By: LSP
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/03/11 12:43 PM
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for wich engine. i might know it already
steve
Was in a silver Charger.
Posted By: RTSrunner
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/04/11 05:41 AM
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got this on the net." now for the useful stuff.
Cylinder heads. big changes here, new closed chamber heads have smaller chambers (duh) than previous engines , 66.3cc in fact vs 84.9cc. even smaller than the 6.1's with 73.0cc. bolting these on to a previous hemi without modification would result in nearly a 12:1 compression ratio.
Are there pistons available to get a lower compression ratio than 12:1 using these heads on an earlier engine?I assume the stock later piston would work,not sure what CR is on late hemis though.
RT
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/04/11 02:14 PM
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got this on the net." now for the useful stuff.
Cylinder heads. big changes here, new closed chamber heads have smaller chambers (duh) than previous engines , 66.3cc in fact vs 84.9cc. even smaller than the 6.1's with 73.0cc. bolting these on to a previous hemi without modification would result in nearly a 12:1 compression ratio.
Are there pistons available to get a lower compression ratio than 12:1 using these heads on an earlier engine?I assume the stock later piston would work,not sure what CR is on late hemis though.
RT
Well there is always custom. I am not sure of the 09 piston but I think they would work. I think 09 got a compression boost. Matt
Posted By: gremlinsteve
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/04/11 02:34 PM
yes. use like a wiseco 9.0 to one piston or a diamond 8.5 that will get you into the 10.0-10.5 range with that head. i know the wiseco is more of a shelf stock piston
steve
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 04/04/11 03:40 PM
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yes. use like a wiseco 9.0 to one piston or a diamond 8.5 that will get you into the 10.0-10.5 range with that head. i know the wiseco is more of a shelf stock piston
steve
Good to know.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/29/11 07:12 PM
Just looked at dodgeparts.com and these heads are 118.80 each.
This has to be wrong. How do you make money at that price? Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/31/11 09:11 PM
Posted By: speedfreak440
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/31/11 10:04 PM
Do the 5.7 & 6.1 use the same OEM computer? Obviously the tuning is different but are the part#'s the same so that you could use the 5.7 computer & re-tune it for a 6.1?
Posted By: Challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 05:53 AM
Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 11:44 AM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
The part# is correct for the eagle head. 53021608DE and 609DE.
You either have made a mistake in identifying the heads or someone has already changed them. Go and see if your heads look like the ones on page 5.
Easiest way to tell D shaped exhaust. Matt
Posted By: Challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 12:30 PM
Ive known this truck since new and engine has not been touched and I kept looking at them numbers and they are correct. Heads and engine are still in truck. I can see the numbers clearly. When I gave the parts guy those numbers, 53021608de and 53021609de he said they were remanufactured. Also the numbers have superceded to 53021608BL and 53021609BL.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 01:27 PM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
i will have to check when i get home but i think the letters are different than those. but the numbers are the same, even the same as my 04 heads. but when i bought mine i used the part numbers listed in this thread
BTW, i just picked up a 426 for less than a rotating assembly. K1 crank and rods with JE pistons
Posted By: Gumbydammit
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 02:02 PM
Are you going to sell your 5.7?
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 02:20 PM
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Are you going to sell your 5.7?
the 5.7 has sat outside. water may have got in the cylinders. i was planning on going thru the motor. i'll let it go for $400 minus the timing cover because i had it CNC'd.
Posted By: Gumbydammit
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 02:24 PM
Pm me, where in SC are you? I may be interested.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 06:29 PM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
i will have to check when i get home but i think the letters are different than those. but the numbers are the same, even the same as my 04 heads. but when i bought mine i used the part numbers listed in this thread
BTW, i just picked up a 426 for less than a rotating assembly. K1 crank and rods with JE pistons
Nice find did you see that the eagle head is going for 118.80 a piece. Matt
Posted By: 540challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 08:56 PM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
i will have to check when i get home but i think the letters are different than those. but the numbers are the same, even the same as my 04 heads. but when i bought mine i used the part numbers listed in this thread
BTW, i just picked up a 426 for less than a rotating assembly. K1 crank and rods with JE pistons
Nice find did you see that the eagle head is going for 118.80 a piece. Matt
Where??? and is it fully assembled like th Moapr ones with plugs and all??
Posted By: Challenger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/03/11 10:04 PM
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. Also the numbers have superceded to 53021608BL and 53021609BL.
Sorry about that the numbers have been superceded to RL021608DE, RL021609DE. Not the above.
BTW Where are you finding them for $118, my cost on them is $248.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 02:04 AM
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. Also the numbers have superceded to 53021608BL and 53021609BL.
Sorry about that the numbers have been superceded to RL021608DE, RL021609DE. Not the above.
BTW Where are you finding them for $118, my cost on them is $248.
Go to dodgeparts.com.
Remember if you order from them you will have to pay shipping. Dealer you do not. Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 02:51 AM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
i will have to check when i get home but i think the letters are different than those. but the numbers are the same, even the same as my 04 heads. but when i bought mine i used the part numbers listed in this thread
BTW, i just picked up a 426 for less than a rotating assembly. K1 crank and rods with JE pistons
Nice find did you see that the eagle head is going for 118.80 a piece. Matt
ya, i read that. piss me off, i paid almost 90% more i was going to buy several sets at $222, glad i didnt. does dodge parts have the drag pack intake? i havnt even went over to look
FYI, my heads end in DD. why? i dont have a clue
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 01:30 PM
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Alright Im just a little confused on these part numbers for the Eagle head. I worked on a 07 truck with a 5.7 hemi and the part numbers on them heads were 53021608de and 53021609de which is what was said at the beginning of the post as Eagle heads BUT I didnt think that they were built til 09. So when I go to the dealer what part number should I be telling them for the Eagle heads? Sixpackgut what part numbers are yours? THANKS!
i will have to check when i get home but i think the letters are different than those. but the numbers are the same, even the same as my 04 heads. but when i bought mine i used the part numbers listed in this thread
BTW, i just picked up a 426 for less than a rotating assembly. K1 crank and rods with JE pistons
Nice find did you see that the eagle head is going for 118.80 a piece. Matt
ya, i read that. piss me off, i paid almost 90% more i was going to buy several sets at $222, glad i didnt. does dodge parts have the drag pack intake? i havnt even went over to look
FYI, my heads end in DD. why? i dont have a clue
It's OK. I payed 248 a piece. But I did not have to pay for shipping.
Don't bother with dodge parts for the intake it's 1114.30
You can try MonicattyChrysler 747.00
You may have a hard time with availability
As to why your heads end in DD
Posted By: FastmOp
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 05:30 PM
I'm doing a few upgrades to my SRT Challenger and would like to run some stuff by you guys. I'm looking at doing A jegs exhaust. I have a procharger stage two kit in the mail and would like to gain a old mopar rumble when I put it on. But the cats and O2 sensors scare me. I'd hate to put headers and cat back on only to have stock cats chokeing it down.
Any tips on hooking up this IRs would be good
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 05:40 PM
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
Even on Dodgeparts.com they're both listed at $222...
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/04/11 05:48 PM
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To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/24/11 05:24 PM
Quote:
Quote:
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
I said to myself, "Self, let this be a lesson, again. One who snoozes, LOSES". After thinking about (AKA: snoozing) I decided to order a set today. Too bad they are now $437 each on dodgeparts... 
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/24/11 05:45 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
I said to myself, "Self, let this be a lesson, again. One who snoozes, LOSES". After thinking about (AKA: snoozing) I decided to order a set today. Too bad they are now $437 each on dodgeparts...
try sales@mopar-wholesale.com i got mine for $222 each
Posted By: gdemon
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/24/11 07:21 PM
I ordered mine on May 27 and picked them up on June 2. Then he told me that the price went up on June 1 and now there is a $ 150 dollar core charge. The good thing is they gave them to me at the price i ordered them at.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/25/11 12:37 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
I said to myself, "Self, let this be a lesson, again. One who snoozes, LOSES". After thinking about (AKA: snoozing) I decided to order a set today. Too bad they are now $437 each on dodgeparts...
Don't wory about it the economy will tank again and they will probably be giving them away. Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 08/23/11 06:44 PM
Quote:
Quote:
did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Here U go
Posted By: Dragula
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 08/23/11 07:02 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
I said to myself, "Self, let this be a lesson, again. One who snoozes, LOSES". After thinking about (AKA: snoozing) I decided to order a set today. Too bad they are now $437 each on dodgeparts...
try sales@mopar-wholesale.com i got mine for $222 each
My have to try a set if my W2 motor sells...
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 08/23/11 07:31 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
To go back to the revisit the original point: HOLY SH**!! I just looked at dodgeparts.com for 53021608DE 53021609DE left and right head...and BAM!! $118 for the 608 and $238 for the 609. ARE THESE COMPLETE HEADS????? Can't be...
That seems WAY too good to be true. What am I missing?
The heads that I ordered came loaded with spark plugs minus the rocker gear.
As for the price maybe they have a surplus.
A factory head that flows just as good as my INDY 230 CNC.
I said to myself, "Self, let this be a lesson, again. One who snoozes, LOSES". After thinking about (AKA: snoozing) I decided to order a set today. Too bad they are now $437 each on dodgeparts...
try sales@mopar-wholesale.com i got mine for $222 each
My have to try a set if my W2 motor sells...
Yup thinking of selling my Indy 230cnc to finance my G3 Hemi.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/09/12 07:12 PM
Give this a bump.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/30/12 11:41 PM
Quote:
Quote:
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did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Here U go
Here you go sixpackgut. this is the eagle head.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/31/12 12:31 AM
From what I'm finding the 09' and up heads have a 150.00 core charge each!
Any better luck?
Any info on getting these to the West coast cheaper??
Brian
Posted By: mshred
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/31/12 12:33 AM
Quote:
From what I'm finding the 09' and up heads have a 150.00 core charge each!
Any better luck?
Any info on getting these to the West coast cheaper??
Brian
Brian, whats the price on the 09 heads? Are they assembled or bare?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/31/12 12:42 AM
Quote:
Quote:
From what I'm finding the 09' and up heads have a 150.00 core charge each!
Any better luck?
Any info on getting these to the West coast cheaper??
Brian
Brian, whats the price on the 09 heads? Are they assembled or bare?
Just went to dodgeparts .com and they don't list a core charge.
450 left and 250 right assembled with plugs.
Maybe they haven't updated their webpage yet
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/09/12 11:46 PM
Quote:
Quote:
did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Bump for Brian at IMM
Stock Eagles heads on a 1020 Superflow 4 inch bore.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/14/12 12:18 AM
Posted By: KOS
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/14/12 04:16 AM
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not bad? are you kidding..thats phenominal..
272 @ .400" I lift
get them to CC the port runners while your at it.
cheapst
That with a 4" bore. Superflow 1020. I will try to CC the intake port tomorrow.
did you cc a port yet?id love to know the numbers.....
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 05/15/12 12:02 AM
Not yet maybe this week
Posted By: az426hemi
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/25/12 07:45 PM
Quote:
Not yet maybe this week
Any cnc update yet?
Mike 
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/26/12 12:36 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Not yet maybe this week
Any cnc update yet?
Mike
CNC No Don't have the machine or the know how to accomplish that!
He was refering to CC.
The Hemi has been put on the backburner. Not that anything was going to happen soon
Will be starting my R3 build thread in the fall.
Posted By: az426hemi
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 06/26/12 04:25 AM
Has anyone built an Eagle headed engine?
If so how does it run?
What is your engine combo?
What chassis are you running?
Thanks,
Mike
Posted By: Cevidicus
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 02/28/13 11:27 PM
Quote:
Quote:
did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Does anyone have any flow numbers from a set of Eagles that have been ported?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/02/13 03:37 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Does anyone have any flow numbers from a set of Eagles that have been ported?
I THINK BES from the 2011 engines master challenge had a set that flowed to 360 cfm.
Don't know what bore size or type of maching was used.
I will bet that 330 to 340 would be easy with the eagle head.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 12/30/13 07:33 PM
Who has a part # for a complete factory 6.4 engine?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 01/01/14 09:18 PM
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/04/14 04:02 AM
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 03:35 PM
Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
Posted By: gregsdart
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 03:45 PM
Mike, from what I hear the pre 09 blocks (5.7) have lots of meat in them for over bore and make an excellent base. For what ever reason, the local guru at Sharadon Performance still likes the early head for porting and power in a motor of about 420 or lss (not sure on the size, but big!) stroker. With a ported head flowing over 300 (320?) that would allow some serious steam with twin turbos. 400 cubes, 15 psi, 900 hp?
I am betting that is what could be had with 92 pump!
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 03:48 PM
Quote:
Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 04:39 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
Thanks guys..... next question... seems to be a few
09 engines out there... can the 09 with the VVT be
reworked to eliminate the VVT or is it just better
to get a pre 09... I'm looking for a complete engine
to start with
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 06:03 PM
Member Steff on here eliminated the VVT on his 6.4 build, but he used a custom belt drive and cam. Not sure if it could be done easier though. There are aftermarket VVT cams but they're pricey, $800 range pricey for just the cam, although, a 6.4 SRT cam is an upgrade alot of 5.7 guys do, and they can be had for less than $100. I imagine you could cut out the cam phaser and lock the timing where you want it, I'm guessing a lathe and mill would come in handy for this
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 07:05 PM
Quote:
Member Steff on here eliminated the VVT on his 6.4 build, but he used a custom belt drive and cam. Not sure if it could be done easier though. There are aftermarket VVT cams but they're pricey, $800 range pricey for just the cam, although, a 6.4 SRT cam is an upgrade alot of 5.7 guys do, and they can be had for less than $100. I imagine you could cut out the cam phaser and lock the timing where you want it, I'm guessing a lathe and mill would come in handy for this
I have the lathe and mill.. that wouldnt be a problem
but is the block as strong on the 09 and up OR should
I continue on the path of the pre 09 engine(which
I think I might just do)
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 07:59 PM
Posted By: tobnHisglory
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 08:15 PM
I have owned 2 of the older 5.7 hemis, an 03 and 05. I currently have the Eagle motor in my 09 Ram. Neither of the older blocks had noticeable wear in the bore except one cylinder from a broken ring
Even with nearly 100k on the block there was no ridge to be felt at the top. A block with 120k should be very serviceable.
Be careful on the overbore. Some of the early blocks were known to be "meaty" and some were very thin with noticeable core shift. With the kind of power you are wanting to build a sonic check is a must before you go any further.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/21/14 10:44 PM
Thanks guys... I believe I'll go with the 5.7 that
has 120K on it... I'm
gonna tear it down anyways
Posted By: AlexP
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/22/14 12:12 AM
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0&fpart=2If anyone is interested, I've got some shots of my GTP ported eagle heads in the link above.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/22/14 01:28 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
Thanks guys..... next question... seems to be a few
09 engines out there... can the 09 with the VVT be
reworked to eliminate the VVT or is it just better
to get a pre 09... I'm looking for a complete engine
to start with
The vvt can be locked out using a cam lockout kit. Kind of pricey but simple enough to fab I think.
I personally think the earlier engine is the way to go. Cams are cheaper and some 5.7 blocks can take .080 over bore. Plus I believe the blocks have better material re hardness to them. They maybe thinner than the average LA block but stronger material and design. Matt
Posted By: misfired
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/22/14 02:54 AM
I've got an 05 under my bench, 190k hone looks decent and NO ridge, I seriously couldn't believe it when I pulled the heads off but bad timing chain made valves bend
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 10/31/14 09:07 PM
1
Posted By: AlexP
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 10/31/14 10:17 PM
Quote:
I've got an 05 under my bench, 190k hone looks decent and NO ridge, I seriously couldn't believe it when I pulled the heads off but bad timing chain made valves bend
I've been saying for years, these motors wear really well.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 10/31/14 10:40 PM
Posted By: hudsonhornet7x
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 10/31/14 11:35 PM
For a normally aspirated 392, what heads would you prefer for a street engine?
Original 5.7
6.1
Eagle
Apache
Also why would you pick the particular head?
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 10/31/14 11:39 PM
IMO its a toss up between the Eagles or 6.1. The 6.1's have hollow stem valves and a 73cc chamber, Eagles are solid stem and 65cc chamber so you need to plan accordingly.
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 08:26 AM
Quote:
For a normally aspirated 392, what heads would you prefer for a street engine?
Original 5.7
6.1
Eagle
Apache
Also why would you pick the particular head?
With a street motor that your not going to spin to the moon I'd go with worked over original 5.7 heads. The faster moving air from the 5.7 port will give you quicker throttle response and the low end torque needed for the street. My combo is a 392 with hand ported 5.7 heads and to get the most from them a 2.08" int valve and a 1.62" exh valve. I also D shaped and gasket matched the exh port opening.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 02:47 PM
Quote:
Quote:
For a normally aspirated 392, what heads would you prefer for a street engine?
Original 5.7
6.1
Eagle
Apache
Also why would you pick the particular head?
With a street motor that your not going to spin to the moon I'd go with worked over original 5.7 heads. The faster moving air from the 5.7 port will give you quicker throttle response and the low end torque needed for the street. My combo is a 392 with hand ported 5.7 heads and to get the most from them a 2.08" int valve and a 1.62" exh valve. I also D shaped and gasket matched the exh port opening.
Jerry you stoked your 6.1 crank to 3. Something correct? Using a Honda journal?
Plus I've heard in order to use a 2.08 valve you need to change the seat?
I like your setup and info. Thanks for sharing. Matt
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 05:34 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
For a normally aspirated 392, what heads would you prefer for a street engine?
Original 5.7
6.1
Eagle
Apache
Also why would you pick the particular head?
With a street motor that your not going to spin to the moon I'd go with worked over original 5.7 heads. The faster moving air from the 5.7 port will give you quicker throttle response and the low end torque needed for the street. My combo is a 392 with hand ported 5.7 heads and to get the most from them a 2.08" int valve and a 1.62" exh valve. I also D shaped and gasket matched the exh port opening.
Jerry you stoked your 6.1 crank to 3. Something correct? Using a Honda journal?
Plus I've heard in order to use a 2.08 valve you need to change the seat?
I like your setup and info. Thanks for sharing. Matt
Your welcome. I offset ground the 6.1 crankshaft to a 3.80" stroke then used Eagle 1.88" Honda rod journal connecting rods, .927 pin with Ross pistons on top. With a 5.7 head you can get by using 2.05" int and 1.60" valves with the stock seats.
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 09:56 PM
Ok i have read this entire article. questions
1. bore-stroke of the 5.7
2. bore-stroke of the 6.1
3. bore-stroke of the 6.4
if going to bore-stroke the engine, would the 5.7 be the least expensive(it will be in the car)?
can the early heads on the 5.7 be ported to the size of the eagles?
I'm confused on the cams working with the older vs new head? machined differently? My project was to find an older Challenger then install the 6.1 engine,($5200.00) now it looks like the 5.7 would could be made up just as well, later upgrade to the hellcat supercharger. This is all new to me so steer me right please.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 10:41 PM
Quote:
Ok i have read this entire article. questions
1. bore-stroke of the 5.7
2. bore-stroke of the 6.1
3. bore-stroke of the 6.4
if going to bore-stroke the engine, would the 5.7 be the least expensive(it will be in the car)?
can the early heads on the 5.7 be ported to the size of the eagles?
I'm confused on the cams working with the older vs new head? machined differently? My project was to find an older Challenger then install the 6.1 engine,($5200.00) now it looks like the 5.7 would could be made up just as well, later upgrade to the hellcat supercharger. This is all new to me so steer me right please.
1 3.92 x3.58
2 4.055x 3.58
3 4.090x 3.72
4 bore and stroke will be cheapest depending on which block is cheapest.
yes
don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one.
Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 10:48 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
For a normally aspirated 392, what heads would you prefer for a street engine?
Original 5.7
6.1
Eagle
Apache
Also why would you pick the particular head?
With a street motor that your not going to spin to the moon I'd go with worked over original 5.7 heads. The faster moving air from the 5.7 port will give you quicker throttle response and the low end torque needed for the street. My combo is a 392 with hand ported 5.7 heads and to get the most from them a 2.08" int valve and a 1.62" exh valve. I also D shaped and gasket matched the exh port opening.
Jerry you stoked your 6.1 crank to 3. Something correct? Using a Honda journal?
Plus I've heard in order to use a 2.08 valve you need to change the seat?
I like your setup and info. Thanks for sharing. Matt
Your welcome. I offset ground the 6.1 crankshaft to a 3.80" stroke then used Eagle 1.88" Honda rod journal connecting rods, .927 pin with Ross pistons on top. With a 5.7 head you can get by using 2.05" int and 1.60" valves with the stock seats.
Thanks Jerry
I would love to pick you brain next year about putting a stroked 5.7 in my 03 Dakota.
Would like to know if my NGC will run the hemi with a tune?
Matt
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/01/14 11:41 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Ok i have read this entire article. questions
1. bore-stroke of the 5.7
2. bore-stroke of the 6.1
3. bore-stroke of the 6.4
if going to bore-stroke the engine, would the 5.7 be the least expensive(it will be in the car)?
can the early heads on the 5.7 be ported to the size of the eagles?
I'm confused on the cams working with the older vs new head? machined differently? My project was to find an older Challenger then install the 6.1 engine,($5200.00) now it looks like the 5.7 would could be made up just as well, later upgrade to the hellcat supercharger. This is all new to me so steer me right please.
1 3.92 x3.58
2 4.055x 3.58
3 4.090x 3.72
4 bore and stroke will be cheapest depending on which block is cheapest.
yes
don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one.
Matt
"don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one"
can get a used one with 59,000 miles for $5200 out of a Charger with accessory's and boxes or one for $4,000 with 100,000 miles. maybe sell the 5.7
Posted By: hemidup
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/02/14 02:26 AM
Quote:
Thanks Jerry
I would love to pick you brain next year about putting a stroked 5.7 in my 03 Dakota.
Would like to know if my NGC will run the hemi with a tune?
Matt
With HPTuners new support it shouldn't be a problem. I think the 03 4.7 Dak's are supported, but know for sure the 03 5.7 Ram's aren't.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 11/02/14 02:35 AM
I'd love to put a 5.7 in my 08 Dakota as well. Need to get all I can out of this 4.7 first though, it only has about 76K on it. When does the 545rfe become worthless? I would want to go about 50hp shy of that lol.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 08:38 PM
67
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 09:18 PM
Quote:
67
MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers
Posted By: slammedR/T
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 09:41 PM
Looking at 6.4 block and apache heads for a turbo motor in the 1,500+hp range, good idea???
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 10:58 PM
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MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers
That is the only head I'm missing. And my quote was from the numbers on that site
I know BES did not favor the eagle head too much. they said it needed more work than the 6.1 to achieve the numbers for the first engine master challenge that the G3 won.
Matt
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 11:04 PM
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Looking at 6.4 block and apache heads for a turbo motor in the 1,500+hp range, good idea???
IMO yes.
All my info is from what others have stated and engine article i've found in mags.
As of right now I'm a closet G3 guy.
Soon to be a veteran
The 6.4 is a stronger block than the rest. IMO the Hellcat is a stock 6.4 that has been machined differently.
The only problem I see with the apache heads is the material they use for them. In high boost I believe the head will start to warp. At what level is the real question.
Matt
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 11:09 PM
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MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers
That is the only head I'm missing. And my quote was from the numbers on that site
I know BES did not favor the eagle head too much. they said it needed more work than the 6.1 to achieve the numbers for the first engine master challenge that the G3 won.
Matt
Ill be flowing a set in about a hour and our numbers have been identical
Posted By: onig
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/12/15 11:47 PM
Waiting to see those numbers.
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 02:07 AM
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MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers
That is the only head I'm missing. And my quote was from the numbers on that site
I know BES did not favor the eagle head too much. they said it needed more work than the 6.1 to achieve the numbers for the first engine master challenge that the G3 won.
Matt
Ill be flowing a set in about a hour and our numbers have been identical
Posted By: slammedR/T
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 02:29 AM
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MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers
That is the only head I'm missing. And my quote was from the numbers on that site
I know BES did not favor the eagle head too much. they said it needed more work than the 6.1 to achieve the numbers for the first engine master challenge that the G3 won.
Matt
Ill be flowing a set in about a hour and our numbers have been identical
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 02:31 AM
.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301
I like the eagle and apache head better.
So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 03:33 AM
Something I find completely perplexing is none of the gen 3 flow numbers that come from this site are even close to the numbers from the LX forums. All of ours are also always very similar, sometimes identical yet over there they are also very similar to each other from various vendors.
This is not the case when I go to the LS tech forums. I port alot of LS heads and every time my flow numbers are right in line with theirs. Even aftermarket. A TEA cnc square port flows 370, i get 370. AFR 225cc goes 325, on my bench the number are almost exact. Its always consistant
I called one of the hemi vendors that nobody likes, Inertia. He would not talk flow numbers and I know why, because all of the other hemi vendors are full of crap and I think he argues with them over there. Im not on there enough to know what the deal is though
Posted By: mcat4321
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 04:00 AM
as some of you guy's know, i am fairly good friends with Tony Bischoff... yes, that Tony Bischoff, his favorite saying he probably uses every day..."you cant race a flow bench"
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 04:14 AM
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as some of you guy's know, i am fairly good friends with Tony Bischoff... yes, that Tony Bischoff, his favorite saying he probably uses every day..."you cant race a flow bench"
Your everyones friend
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 04:22 AM
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301
I like the eagle and apache head better.
So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine
Do you have the hemi in that car? reason i'm going to use the same car got any photos?
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 04:33 AM
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301
I like the eagle and apache head better.
So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine
Do you have the hemi in that car? reason i'm going to use the same car got any photos?
Posted By: slammedR/T
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 04:48 AM
Once i blow up this magnum motor or get my times I want on the race tune, I will be starting my Gen III hemi collecting. I want to go 6.4 block and apache heads with a BIG! turbo or maybe twins
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 05:11 AM
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Once i blow up this magnum motor or get my times I want on the race tune, I will be starting my Gen III hemi collecting. I want to go 6.4 block and apache heads with a BIG! turbo or maybe twins
Im not sure you can put enough valve spring on Apache heads to control the valves under alot of boost. The guide is held in place by aluminum boss on top of the port where on a 6.1 head the aluminum boss is in the port. The thitek head might be the best route for a serious effort
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 08:01 AM
My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 12:43 PM
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My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.
Whos cnc heads do you have?
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 02:38 PM
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301
I like the eagle and apache head better.
So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine
Thx for sharing info
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/13/15 07:18 PM
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My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.
Whos cnc heads do you have?
PWR.
Posted By: Twostick
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/14/15 07:22 PM
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Ok i have read this entire article. questions
1. bore-stroke of the 5.7
2. bore-stroke of the 6.1
3. bore-stroke of the 6.4
if going to bore-stroke the engine, would the 5.7 be the least expensive(it will be in the car)?
can the early heads on the 5.7 be ported to the size of the eagles?
I'm confused on the cams working with the older vs new head? machined differently? My project was to find an older Challenger then install the 6.1 engine,($5200.00) now it looks like the 5.7 would could be made up just as well, later upgrade to the hellcat supercharger. This is all new to me so steer me right please.
1 3.92 x3.58
2 4.055x 3.58
3 4.090x 3.72
4 bore and stroke will be cheapest depending on which block is cheapest.
yes
don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one.
Matt
"don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one"
can get a used one with 59,000 miles for $5200 out of a Charger with accessory's and boxes or one for $4,000 with 100,000 miles. maybe sell the 5.7
Nigel has 1 left. Less money than used.
http://nationalmoparts.com/lx-lc-parts?p...ategory_id=1839
Kevin
Posted By: MattW
Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head - 03/14/15 11:08 PM
sold that one a long time ago.