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Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: roadhazard] #934140
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: 440Jim] #934141
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.



that is what i did but with a die grinder.
ps:i was thinking of a plug for the seal retainer bolt holes to help support the pan gasket.i filled it with silicone i think.

video to help me get thru the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuuTcazgrU

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Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: blownzoom440] #934142
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.



that is what i did but with a die grinder.
ps:i was thinking of a plug for the seal retainer bolt holes to help support the pan gasket.i filled it with silicone i think.

video to help me get thru the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuuTcazgrU




Hey those look like 440source billet main caps.


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Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: pittsburghracer] #934143
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.



that is what i did but with a die grinder.
ps:i was thinking of a plug for the seal retainer bolt holes to help support the pan gasket.i filled it with silicone i think.

video to help me get thru the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuuTcazgrU




Hey those look like 440source billet main caps.



no sir!those are Koleno Performance caps,all 5 crossbolt in a koleno block.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: blownzoom440] #934144
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.



that is what i did but with a die grinder.
ps:i was thinking of a plug for the seal retainer bolt holes to help support the pan gasket.i filled it with silicone i think.

video to help me get thru the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuuTcazgrU




Hey those look like 440source billet main caps.



no sir!those are Koleno Performance caps,all 5 crossbolt in a koleno block.




Just messin with you but check these out.
http://store.440source.com/Main-Caps/products/25/


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Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: pittsburghracer] #934145
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yes i have a set of those caps in the box that i was gunna use on my stock block but just went with the gurdle from CRE and never installed the caps.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: 440Jim] #934146
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No sir no studs on this build . tThe motor leaked with the stock retalner. Im starting to believe that its all in the crank ,weather its not knurled or the piolet was drilled to far or a crack ,it never leaked wit the old 440 crank. Thanks Nick

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: runner12] #934147
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Pull it out, pull it apart and look at everything if you truly want it fixed

Pull the crank and bolt the seal retainer on the block without a seal, inspect and measure.

Inspect your crank and it's dimensions & runout.
(could have been dropped and has a bent rear flange )

I would assume you will still have problems with a rope seal.

I recently replaced a rope seal on a knurled factory crank with a rubber seal, no issues and dry as a bone FWIW.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: roadhazard] #934148
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Thanks for everyone's insight, that is what I was looking for it all helps trying to figure this mess out. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE THAT THEY NEVER MET ...THANKS NICK

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: runner12] #934149
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Hi

I’m having the exact same problem, leaking oil between engine and Trans, check for leak on the valve covers, oil pressure sender, the plug next to sender, I have change the rear main seal once without any result, change the stock rear main retainer to a billet from mancini, still leak. Now I will pull out the transmission to put on a safety shield, then I’ll check the oil plugs and cam plug on the rear of the engine, think I must remove the flex plate too, hope it leaks there.

I hope you update us if you find the problem, I’ll do it here in your thread if it is ok?

/Toni

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: Mr500_wedge] #934150
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Did you or your machinest mike the crank surface where the seal rides? You may have some wear there. Belive it or not the rope seal and the rubber seal will cause enough wear on the cranks surface to cause a leak.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: Mr500_wedge] #934151
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I promise I will tell the world ! Im so ready to take a loss on this and start over.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: dart4forte] #934152
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I was told it was checked ? My mechanic checked it also and said it looked good? I dont know any more, and starting not to care!

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: runner12] #934153
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i hope you find it in you to resolve it soon.then you can move on either way.

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: blownzoom440] #934154
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I think after the 4 seals not working you're making a good move by pulling it out and taking it appart.

Measure & check everything back there

We've all been there and usualy learn something along the way

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: blownzoom440] #934155
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I simply mill clearance on the seal retainer to clear the studs/nuts. Same idea, to avoid the retainer hanging up on the studs/nuts.

You don't have to mill all the way to 0.19", but this one allows the socket in there.



that is what i did but with a die grinder.
ps:i was thinking of a plug for the seal retainer bolt holes to help support the pan gasket.i filled it with silicone i think.

video to help me get thru the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuuTcazgrU




Hey those look like 440source billet main caps.



no sir!those are Koleno Performance caps,all 5 crossbolt in a koleno block.








Hope to see you out at the track again this year MetalStorm


Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: BIG BEAR] #934156
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UPDATE ON THE LEAK...It is up on the rack tranny ,converter ,flexplate out. Where the pilot bushing was drilled was dry the rest has to be cleaned ,then we are going to prime the pump and slowly turn the crank and see if we get anything..

Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: runner12] #934157
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UPDATE ON THE LEAK...It is up on the rack tranny ,converter ,flexplate out. Where the pilot bushing was drilled was dry the rest has to be cleaned ,then we are going to prime the pump and slowly turn the crank and see if we get anything..


I hope you find it, the cam plugs I had troubles with did not leak on the engine stand, even when priming and rotating it over several revolutions BTW, if you have not clean the front of the flexplate yet look at it real careful, if the main seal is leakning it has to come out on the flexplate and be slung out from there If the front of the flex plate is dry it is not the main seal, it is something else Good luck, I really hope you find it soon and that it is a easy fix


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Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: Cab_Burge] #934158
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I know you've had this apart and tonight I didn't go back through all the previous post but is the rear seal facing the correct way? And about the mechanic checking, might want to do that again while standing right there.


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Re: MAS. OIL LEAK, LAST TIME IM ASKING PLEASE HELP!!! [Re: runner12] #934159
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One little detail often overlooked: The seal area on the crank could have a runout. I have seen ground cranks that were not properly centered and when ground it looks perfect, but the seal area which is not machined now will have a runout. It is easy to check with a dial indicator on the crankseal surface and turn the crank, you will see if it is good or bad. I do not know the tolerance, but when I grind cranks I try to get the runout here (as well as upfront) to be closest to zero, and always less than .001"
Just my
Thanks, please keep us informed....

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