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Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. #933063
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Hey,
I have been having trouble getting my 833 4speed to shift correctly into 1st gear and reverse in my 70 Charger RT.

The shifter is a new Hurst Competition unit. I put the car in neutral,chocked the tires and right now I have the shift rods and levers disconnected from the trans.

I am trying to align the shifter arms by inserting a rod through the alignment hole in the shifter but the rod only goes through 1/2 and 3/4 arms but will not go through the reverse arm???

What is the deal with that?

Could somebody have a pic of how the shift levers/rods should be fitted on the tranny for a 68-70 B-body?

Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Blakcharger440] #933064
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Disconnect the rods from either the tranny or shifter before inserting a 1/4" dia rod into the alignment hole on the shifter arms, that will allow you to align all 3 arms together,....chances are you also have shifter stops on the shifter body, perhaps those are misadjusted also, back them out when performing the netural shifter adjustment

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Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: DAYCLONA] #933065
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Disconnect the rods from either the tranny or shifter before inserting a 1/4" dia rod into the alignment hole on the shifter arms, that will allow you to align all 3 arms together,....chances are you also have shifter stops on the shifter body, perhaps those are misadjusted also, back them out when performing the netural shifter adjustment

Mike




I already did that...like I said my alignment tool will only go through 1/2 and 3/4 so it does align those two levers but it doesnt even pass through the reverse shifter lever in order to get that one in alignment also...in other words it only aligns 2 arms.

I have an extra Hurst shifter on my bench top and it is the same way. Does the reverse shift lever not have to be aligned?

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Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Blakcharger440] #933066
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Disconnect the rods from either the tranny or shifter before inserting a 1/4" dia rod into the alignment hole on the shifter arms, that will allow you to align all 3 arms together,....chances are you also have shifter stops on the shifter body, perhaps those are misadjusted also, back them out when performing the netural shifter adjustment

Mike




I already did that...like I said my alignment tool will only go through 1/2 and 3/4 so it does align those two levers but it doesnt even pass through the reverse shifter lever in order to get that one in alignment also...in other words it only aligns 2 arms.

I have an extra Hurst shifter on my bench top and it is the same way. Does the reverse shift lever not have to be aligned?




It goes through all three arms on the factory shifters. Can you see the hole on the reverse arm?


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Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: jbc426] #933067
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It goes through all three arms on the factory shifters. Can you see the hole on the reverse arm?








I have a Hurst Comp shifter on one of my cars, a shifter alignment tool (1/4" dowel) goes thru all 3 arms as well

Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Blakcharger440] #933068
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The later Competition + aftermarket gates only have the alignment holes in the 1/2 & 3/4 arms not the reverse...
Don't know why but I have (3) Hurst gates and they are all this way. So what I do is set the 1/2 & 3/4 arms using a small drill through the holes. Then eyeball the reverse arm..

EZ to tell when all arms are aligned properly in neutral, the shifter lever will move easily left to right..

Just my $0.02..

Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Sinitro] #933069
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The later Competition + aftermarket gates only have the alignment holes in the 1/2 & 3/4 arms not the reverse...
Don't know why but I have (3) Hurst gates and they are all this way. So what I do is set the 1/2 & 3/4 arms using a small drill through the holes. Then eyeball the reverse arm..

EZ to tell when all arms are aligned properly in neutral, the shifter lever will move easily left to right..

Just my $0.02..




I have also seen other Hurst shifters without the hole in the reverse lever
Make sure your side cover is pushed as far up as it will go
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Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Sinitro] #933070
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The later Competition + aftermarket gates only have the alignment holes in the 1/2 & 3/4 arms not the reverse...
Don't know why but I have (3) Hurst gates and they are all this way. So what I do is set the 1/2 & 3/4 arms using a small drill through the holes. Then eyeball the reverse arm..

EZ to tell when all arms are aligned properly in neutral, the shifter lever will move easily left to right..

Just my $0.02..




Yep thats what I thought. I had to eyeball the reverse arm alignment as well.

I aligned it and just got back from a short drive. It is alot better but somehow I think it should be even better.

Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: fourgearsavoy] #933071
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The later Competition + aftermarket gates only have the alignment holes in the 1/2 & 3/4 arms not the reverse...
Don't know why but I have (3) Hurst gates and they are all this way. So what I do is set the 1/2 & 3/4 arms using a small drill through the holes. Then eyeball the reverse arm..

EZ to tell when all arms are aligned properly in neutral, the shifter lever will move easily left to right..

Just my $0.02..




I have also seen other Hurst shifters without the hole in the reverse lever
Make sure your side cover is pushed as far up as it will go
Gus




Side cover????

Re: Adjusting Shifter rods and levers on 4speed. [Re: Blakcharger440] #933072
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The later Competition + aftermarket gates only have the alignment holes in the 1/2 & 3/4 arms not the reverse...
Don't know why but I have (3) Hurst gates and they are all this way. So what I do is set the 1/2 & 3/4 arms using a small drill through the holes. Then eyeball the reverse arm..

EZ to tell when all arms are aligned properly in neutral, the shifter lever will move easily left to right..

Just my $0.02..




I have also seen other Hurst shifters without the hole in the reverse lever
Make sure your side cover is pushed as far up as it will go
Gus




Side cover????




The main cover on the side of the tranny where the forks/rods attach. The cover has a little up-down play in it before you cinch it down. If you tighten it in the 'lower' position the reverse cam can bind against the shift fork above it---makes getting it in and out of reverse very hard. Loosen it up and tap the cover up a skosh and you will have plenty of clearance.







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