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SB Bellhousing Bolts............ #93039 07/22/08 05:38 PM 07/22/08 05:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies OP mopar addict
4BBodies OP mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	......I am FINALLY going to put my 340/727 in, hopefully this weekend. On the bellhousing bolts, there are 4 up top, and then below each alignment pin there is a hole with threads in the transmission. (Not the starter ones, or the smaller cover ones.) They are bigger bolts, are these bolted as well, from the engine side? Thank you for any input.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 4BBodies] #93040 07/22/08 05:49 PM 07/22/08 05:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,237 Looking for a way out of Middl... IMGTX I Live Here
IMGTX I Live Here Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,237 Looking for a way out of Middl...	Yes and you have to remove the oil filter on the passenger side to get that one in/out. On small blocks there is a pair of braces from the tranny to the engine block that bolts there also. Many are missing but if you have them and they clear the starter/headers they are worth the time to put back on IMHO.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: IMGTX] #93041 07/22/08 05:54 PM 07/22/08 05:54 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies OP mopar addict
4BBodies OP mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	Thanks, I didn't know about the braces. I will try to find a pair. Do they go in the same holes?

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 4BBodies] #93042 07/22/08 06:01 PM 07/22/08 06:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,954 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,954 Grand Prairie,Texas	Yes and they go up to the block where they attach with bolts that go horizontally into the block just above the oilpan.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 4BBodies] #93043 07/22/08 06:02 PM 07/22/08 06:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,237 Looking for a way out of Middl... IMGTX I Live Here
IMGTX I Live Here Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,237 Looking for a way out of Middl...	Yes the bolt goes through them. They are not a big deal but if you have them they are worth putting back on in my opionion. Most are missing completely and they never seem to miss them. There are two sizes of starters and they won't clear the larger starters on my cars. You can always add them later if you want when you change the oil.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: stumpy] #93044 07/22/08 06:03 PM 07/22/08 06:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies OP mopar addict
4BBodies OP mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	Thanks again, if I can't find a pair, I will make some.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 4BBodies] #93045 07/23/08 09:13 PM 07/23/08 09:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe... 5 5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway
5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe...	I never had to take the oil filter off to do that.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 5thAve] #93046 07/23/08 09:33 PM 07/23/08 09:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,233 petaluma,ca. u.s.a. west master
west master Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,233 petaluma,ca. u.s.a.	i think you are talking about the holes for the dust shield

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: west] #93047 07/24/08 12:22 AM 07/24/08 12:22 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	i havent had those braces on for 20 years. no problems yet

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ #93048 07/24/08 02:03 AM 07/24/08 02:03 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,065 Milwaukee, WI In_The_Pink master
In_The_Pink master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,065 Milwaukee, WI	Quote: i havent had those braces on for 20 years. no problems yet I had the braces on my 360/727, but when I changed to an A-833 4-speed, the braces no longer bolted up. There are definitely two bolts which bolt through the block ears into the bellhousing, as mentioned above- one above the starter and the other behind the oil filter.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: In_The_Pink] #93049 07/24/08 02:51 PM 07/24/08 02:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies OP mopar addict
4BBodies OP mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	I have a remote filter, I tried the bolt already, and no problem there. Lots -O- bolts holding that tin cover on too, were they worried it was going somewhere??

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: 5thAve] #93050 07/24/08 03:06 PM 07/24/08 03:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: I never had to take the oil filter off to do that. Never had to take a filter off to take the transmission out on a small block? Can't be done. There is one bolt behind the small block oil filter that threads into the bell housing and the filter has to come off to get this bolt out. As for the braces they won't fit with any of the engines with headers that I have seen. Never seen anybody have a problem by not having them either. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: MoparforLife] #93051 07/24/08 08:23 PM 07/24/08 08:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,233 petaluma,ca. u.s.a. west master
west master Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,233 petaluma,ca. u.s.a.	Quote: Quote: I never had to take the oil filter off to do that. Never had to take a filter off to take the transmission out on a small block? Can't be done. There is one bolt behind the small block oil filter that threads into the bell housing and the filter has to come off to get this bolt out. As for the braces they won't fit with any of the engines with headers that I have seen. Never seen anybody have a problem by not having them either. i have tti headers and th 90 degree filter. i can get that bolt out without taking the filter off,but it would be a pita and i don't even try.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: west] #93052 07/25/08 02:41 AM 07/25/08 02:41 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 571 Beaverton, OR, USA Alikazam super gas
Alikazam super gas Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 571 Beaverton, OR, USA	Probably because I have a van, but I have those braces on. It barely clears the 89 dodge van started (mini) i have on there now. I figured I needed as much bracing as I could get to keep it solid! Last time I pulled the trans, the tail shaft mount bracket was broken in 2 places and cracked in 2 more so only 2 bolts out of 6 were really holding it in! Just my

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: MoparforLife] #93053 07/26/08 09:50 PM 07/26/08 09:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe... 5 5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway
5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe...	Quote: Quote: I never had to take the oil filter off to do that. Never had to take a filter off to take the transmission out on a small block? Can't be done. There is one bolt behind the small block oil filter that threads into the bell housing and the filter has to come off to get this bolt out. As for the braces they won't fit with any of the engines with headers that I have seen. Never seen anybody have a problem by not having them either. west answered that. It can be done if it has one of those adapters. I forgot about that.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: In_The_Pink] #93054 07/26/08 10:30 PM 07/26/08 10:30 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: I had the braces on my 360/727, but when I changed to an A-833 4-speed, the braces no longer bolted up. I find that hard to believe, the braces are NOT trans dependant, but are most definately engine dependant. The hole that the brace bolts to on the trans side is an ear cast into the ENGINE block, not the trans so changing the trans cannot affect it. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: Supercuda] #93055 07/26/08 10:47 PM 07/26/08 10:47 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland GO_Fish master
GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	The braces on my 340 were missing. I picked up a pair off a 318 B body in the junk yard, same parts. However, when I went to swap the old 318 braces off my '68 B'cuda and swap them to the '74 360 going in, only one side bolted in, the other side was different (don't remember which side didn't work on the 360). Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: GO_Fish] #93056 07/27/08 02:14 AM 07/27/08 02:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,111 Bowie, MD R Reggie top fuel
Reggie top fuel R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,111 Bowie, MD	Quote: The braces on my 340 were missing. I picked up a pair off a 318 B body in the junk yard, same parts. However, when I went to swap the old 318 braces off my '68 B'cuda and swap them to the '74 360 going in, only one side bolted in, the other side was different (don't remember which side didn't work on the 360). Maybe it was a later block? According to this rebuilder's site, 360s got a bigger starter around 1981 so they moved the bolt hole for the brace forward one inch so that the brace would clear. Quote: 1981-�84 CAR AND TRUCK This block was identical to the earlier one except that the hole for the brace on the left side was moved forward one inch (to 10") so that it would clear the bigger starter motor. Most of these blocks had a boss with room for both holes, but they were not always drilled.

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: Reggie] #93057 07/27/08 08:30 AM 07/27/08 08:30 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies OP mopar addict
4BBodies OP mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	I found braces, thanks to MoparRon, I am going to put the motor in, and put them in after I get them. Thanks to all for your posts!

Re: SB Bellhousing Bolts............ [Re: Reggie] #93058 07/27/08 02:57 PM 07/27/08 02:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 571 Beaverton, OR, USA Alikazam super gas
Alikazam super gas Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 571 Beaverton, OR, USA	I can tell you from personal experience with my van, which had a 318 (unknown year), '77 360 block, then '71 360 block, that the 77 block also had the bolt hole on the driver's side shifted forward about an inch, I just made a spacer for the tranny bolt and used a longer bolt (welded up a bunch of washers). Worked great, but when the new 360 went in, it was an early casting block (got 71 vintage for the thicker cylinder walls) and no longer needed the spacer. My mini-start "just" touches the driver's side brace, so when I'm doing my starter I have the brace bolts loose slightly until the starter is tight. Working great so far . My braces are also from my 318, if that makes any difference. Hope that helps!

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