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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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VIN # IS 9A223499,IM NOT SAYING ITS A A-12 MOTOR JUST ASKING IF IT CAN BE USED AS A REPLACEMENT AND HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH NEEDING A REBUILD
It depends on your philosophy regarding replacement motors. Sure, any 440 can be used as a replacement motor once the original is gone because, according to some, once the original is gone it doesn't matter what goes back in the car. Non original is still non original regardless of the date on the block.
The VIN is from a car built in early February so if you are the type of person that has to have a date coded motor from exactly the range of A12 cars, then no. The VIN makes this one too early for even the first A12 cars let alone the ones built in July.
If you want to rationalize the block casting date and pretend the block was set aside for another 8 weeks to five months before it COULD have gone into an A12 car, then sure....this one would be fine.
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/13/11 03:20 PM
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The earliest "real" A12 blocks I have seen were cast in mid Feb 1969  My block is not an HP2
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/13/11 07:32 PM
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VIN # IS 9A223499,IM NOT SAYING ITS A A-12 MOTOR JUST ASKING IF IT CAN BE USED AS A REPLACEMENT AND HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH NEEDING A REBUILD
I believe it has the thick horizontal rib above the freeze plugs. If so, it would be an acceptable replacement block for an A12. First, because it's the correct configuration. It's also an E440 HP. For a restoration with a non-numbers matching block, you want all other date codes that preceed the scheduled production date but the earlier 69 blocks don't have the stiffener rib on the side of the block. IMO, if it's not the original block with the matching VIN, then having a closer date coded block to the SPD does not make it better than any other block with the correct year and configuration as long as it is not a latter date code than the SPD. In the case of an A12, I would say no later than the latest other date code on the car...which may be the K frame date code. That's just one opinion. I'm sure there will be others! 
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/13/11 07:36 PM
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VIN # IS 9A223499,IM NOT SAYING ITS A A-12 MOTOR JUST ASKING IF IT CAN BE USED AS A REPLACEMENT AND HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH NEEDING A REBUILD
Heck with the engine, lets see the A12! 
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 01:26 AM
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What is the usual dates for blocks on these cars?
Also what is the difference in a hp block and non-hp block?
The HP was rated at 375hp and a non HP at 350hp. The blocks are the same. I think the main difference was just the cam, carb and exhaust manifolds. The A12 motor had a few special tweaks but basically the same as a regular 440 hp.
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 01:58 AM
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Also what is the difference in a hp block and non-hp block?
2 stamps , H and P
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 09:27 AM
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Also what is the difference in a hp block and non-hp block?
2 stamps , H and P
Let me expand on what John is saying.
All 1969 440 blocks were the same . If the block was assembled with High Performance parts inside, it got the HP stamping. If it was assembled with standard performance parts, no stamping was on it.
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 11:21 AM
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Also what is the difference in a hp block and non-hp block?
2 stamps , H and P
Let me expand on what John is saying.
All 440 blocks were the same . If the block was assembled with High Performance parts inside, it got the HP stamping. If it was assembled with standard performance parts, no stamping was on it.
But he only asked about the block 
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 11:37 AM
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But he only asked about the block
I know, just trying explain a little better. 
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Re: 69 440 HP2 BUILD DATE 1-17-69 A-12 ?
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02/14/11 01:22 PM
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IS THIS 440 BUILD DATE CLOSE ENOUGH TO USE IN A A-12 CAR ? IT NEEDS REBUILT,I HAVE THE HEADS AND 69 HP VALVE COVERS,WHAT IS IT WORTH ?
Dumb question , what is the VIN on it ? is it from a car built at lynch rd ?
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