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upper ball joint #924025
02/08/11 09:37 PM
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okay is there a easy way to take upper balljoint out without the correct socket on 69 bee
thanks abe

Re: upper ball joint [Re: AB&E] #924026
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Maybe a big pipe wrench.The socket will make it so much easier.remember,You have to reinstall it also.Local parts store could probably rent you one.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: moretoys] #924027
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Maybe a big pipe wrench.The socket will make it so much easier.


A pipe wrench or a large crescent WILL do it & do it nicely/correctly but it's harder as the BJ flats are not very tall. The correct socket is faster in most cases but is NOT needed. I would highly suggest removing/installing the BJ w the UCA installed in the vehicle b 4 you dissassemble everything & if it's froze judiciously use the hot wrench. R&R ing the BJ w the UCA in a vise can bend the UCA (if it's real tight) & you wont know untiel you go to tap it into the cam bolt slots then you gotta compress it just the right amt to correct it DAMHIK


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Re: upper ball joint [Re: RapidRobert] #924028
02/08/11 11:49 PM
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I though you only used a wrench when you tighten them back up to keep the ball joint from spinning,whoops .I took one of my upper BJ out today with the control arm off.I laid it upside down in between 2 wooden chairs.Put the nut back on the bolt of the BJ and with about 5 hits of a 2# hammer it was out.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: 70RT Charger] #924029
02/09/11 09:50 AM
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If you pounded it out with a hammer the arm is probally shot.They are threaded thats why you need the socket.I would almost say the arm is bad anyway.Something had to be wrong with that arm to start with.They dont usually want to come out even with the socket.Rocky

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Re: upper ball joint [Re: therocks] #924030
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I had a machine shop press a set out one time
looks like I will buy socket
thanks guys for info

Re: upper ball joint [Re: AB&E] #924031
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Socket and a good impact wrench does the trick.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: therocks] #924032
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If you pounded it out with a hammer the arm is probally shot.They are threaded thats why you need the socket.I would almost say the arm is bad anyway.Something had to be wrong with that arm to start with.They dont usually want to come out even with the socket.Rocky


I borrowed the socket to fit the other ball joint and it threaded out just fine.Compared the threads to the other upper control arm and didnt appear to be stripped.So I took the other ball joint and threaded it back into the control arm that I beat out.It tightened up just find without stripping out.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: 70RT Charger] #924033
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If you pounded it out with a hammer the arm is probally shot.They are threaded thats why you need the socket.I would almost say the arm is bad anyway.Something had to be wrong with that arm to start with.They dont usually want to come out even with the socket.Rocky


I borrowed the socket to fit the other ball joint and it threaded out just fine.Compared the threads to the other upper control arm and didnt appear to be stripped.So I took the other ball joint and threaded it back into the control arm that I beat out.It tightened up just find without stripping out.




Wait till you put some miles on it , don't be surprised when it pops out .

Re: upper ball joint [Re: JohnRR] #924034
02/10/11 10:28 PM
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If you pounded it out with a hammer the arm is probally shot.They are threaded thats why you need the socket.I would almost say the arm is bad anyway.Something had to be wrong with that arm to start with.They dont usually want to come out even with the socket.Rocky


I borrowed the socket to fit the other ball joint and it threaded out just fine.Compared the threads to the other upper control arm and didnt appear to be stripped.So I took the other ball joint and threaded it back into the control arm that I beat out.It tightened up just find without stripping out.




Wait till you put some miles on it , don't be surprised when it pops out .


John,you guys were right.The guy that I borrowed the socket off of came by the house,I showed him the upper control arm.I thought it was ok because it tightened up.He said let me see,he turned it upside down and said,lets say your traveling down the road and hit a pot hole,he took my 2 lb and smaked it one time and it popped.Made me feel stupid,so now Ill be getting another control arm.Lesson learned.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: 70RT Charger] #924035
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Save your money, just tack weld the ball joint to the UCA.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: BDW] #924036
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This tread just got dangerously stupid , NO welds seriously NO welds .
Replace the control arm , in my shop I toss several arms every year and keep several in stock , If an arms had more than one rebuild I find that ball joints will tighten up but to easily. So try not to hurt your selfs and or others .

Re: upper ball joint [Re: craigsmytcudas] #924037
02/11/11 06:34 PM
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Yeah, I guess it would be really crazy to expect a weld to hold.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: BDW] #924038
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I know a guy who bounces his race car off the ground with welded upper ball joints....

Re: upper ball joint [Re: screamindriver] #924039
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I tell you what,Im starting to get pi$$ed off.My drivers side threads look half shot,I took 3,thats right I said 3 passenger UCA,s off today and the BJ,s eat up most of the threads off of all of the UCA,s.I dont want tubulars.The new ones on ebay look like they have cheap bushings and BJ,s on them.Can I really tac these on with no problems?Im running out of time and need to get these back on before I get called out too work

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Re: upper ball joint [Re: 70RT Charger] #924040
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I haven't found too many upper arms over the years that won't hold the 135lbs of ball joint torque.(somewhere around 135 anyway, there is a spec in shop mans.) I wouldn't trust the weld myself.

Re: upper ball joint [Re: buildanother] #924041
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I'd find a competent welder and have him weld em together ten ways from Sunday. they'll stay together and you're not going to b reusing the UCA & you'll have a way to work and can find a good UCA in your leisure


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Re: upper ball joint [Re: RapidRobert] #924042
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A Tack weld or four might be OK, but I wouldnt put too much heat in 'em as they might not be all steel. Some ball joints may have partial or all Polymer bearing surfaces inside.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/ball_joints.htm

Re: upper ball joint [Re: Jwilli500] #924043
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Some ball joints may have partial or all Polymer bearing surfaces inside.


didn't know that


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Re: upper ball joint [Re: Jwilli500] #924044
02/12/11 11:06 PM
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A Tack weld or four might be OK, but I wouldnt put too much heat in 'em as they might not be all steel. Some ball joints may have partial or all Polymer bearing surfaces inside.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/ball_joints.htm


Im pretty for sure the Moog BJ has neither inside and is all metal to metal not for sure though.

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