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No front fenderwells? #923415
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I just purchased a 68 valiant for a parts car but most of the car is so solid I almost dont want to hack it up. The only real issue from keeping this car complete is someone removed the entire front fenderwells and bracing above the shocks and control arms. Would it be acceptable to just add some down bars in the front to reinforce this area? I dont want to go through the trouble of locating a good front clip.

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: SLOW67] #923416
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Yes,just run your down tubes and tie into the shock mount.People been doing it that way since the early days.I always run a kicker bar to help chit from moving around!!!!!!!!

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: 8secDart] #923417
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Sounds good What part of Salisbury are you in? Im in China Grove myself

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: SLOW67] #923418
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Can anyone show pics of this,I'm interested as well.
John

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: jcastle1] #923419
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No picture , but what I did on my Barracuda was I welded a 4"x5" 1/8" plate to the upper part of the firewall, ran the down tubes down from there to the frame about 6" from the radiator support. Tied the shock mount to the down tube. Before welding make sure the fender / door lines are correct, the car body might have sagged some with out the inner fender support. Might have to jack the car up under the transmission crossmember to let the front drop back down.


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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: jcastle1] #923420
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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: 8secDart] #923421
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Before welding make sure the fender / door lines are correct, the car body might have sagged some with out the inner fender support. Might have to jack the car up under the transmission crossmember to let the front drop back down.




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People been doing it that way since the early days.




And since the early days I can't see why people compromise the strucural integrity by removing the aprons, only to add support bars? I can see adding front support along with the aprons (also done since early days and to remain S/S legal). Early Pro Stockers-pre full chassis comes to mind does makes for improved engine bay room.
For today's bracket cars I think it has more to do with looks than making sense (?)

As far as using the saving weight argument, has any one weighed the aprons & core support vs all the tubing going back in? Not looking for any drama just food for thought

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: TMP66] #923422
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Before welding make sure the fender / door lines are correct, the car body might have sagged some with out the inner fender support. Might have to jack the car up under the transmission crossmember to let the front drop back down.




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People been doing it that way since the early days.




And since the early days I can't see why people compromise the strucural integrity by removing the aprons, only to add support bars? I can see adding front support along with the aprons (also done since early days and to remain S/S legal). Early Pro Stockers-pre full chassis comes to mind does makes for improved engine bay room.
For today's bracket cars I think it has more to do with looks than making sense (?)

As far as using the saving weight argument, has any one weighed the aprons & core support vs all the tubing going back in? Not looking for any drama just food for thought




15 lbs to about 5-7 for CM tubing per side. lets the heat out. ability to get to sparkplugs

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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: TMP66] #923423
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Before welding make sure the fender / door lines are correct, the car body might have sagged some with out the inner fender support. Might have to jack the car up under the transmission crossmember to let the front drop back down.




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People been doing it that way since the early days.




And since the early days I can't see why people compromise the strucural integrity by removing the aprons, only to add support bars? I can see adding front support along with the aprons (also done since early days and to remain S/S legal). Early Pro Stockers-pre full chassis comes to mind does makes for improved engine bay room.
For today's bracket cars I think it has more to do with looks than making sense (?)

As far as using the saving weight argument, has any one weighed the aprons & core support vs all the tubing going back in? Not looking for any drama just food for thought




I agree 100%,but this guy said he bought it done.Just trying to help him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'am in live in Faith but my shop is in Salisbury.Not being a smart A$$ but you must be new to Mopars not to know me.
Lenny

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: 8secDart] #923424
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Here's what mine looks like

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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: 70HemiGTX] #923425
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is the car going to be a streeter or track only? if it's track only relocate the shock mount to the bar & cut away the excess steel, it will allow more room to fit nice flowing headers.

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: 8secDart] #923426
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Before welding make sure the fender / door lines are correct, the car body might have sagged some with out the inner fender support. Might have to jack the car up under the transmission crossmember to let the front drop back down.




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People been doing it that way since the early days.




And since the early days I can't see why people compromise the strucural integrity by removing the aprons, only to add support bars? I can see adding front support along with the aprons (also done since early days and to remain S/S legal). Early Pro Stockers-pre full chassis comes to mind does makes for improved engine bay room.
For today's bracket cars I think it has more to do with looks than making sense (?)

As far as using the saving weight argument, has any one weighed the aprons & core support vs all the tubing going back in? Not looking for any drama just food for thought




I agree 100%,but this guy said he bought it done.Just trying to help him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'am in live in Faith but my shop is in Salisbury.Not being a smart A$$ but you must be new to Mopars not to know me.
Lenny




Lenny I've seen your cars around...the wagon and the Dart at a couple cruise-ins and such. I fully agree with all of you on the removal of the fenderwells to be a bad idea, in fact it bothers me as bad a blacked out engine bays on mopars lol but being on a tight budget I cant justify finding a parts car to cut up

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: SLOW67] #923427
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I can't blame you.That is a lot of work.I think AMD is repoping the inner fenders.I say screw it and leave them out.

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: VIPERDUST] #923428
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68 front




That's how I did mine!

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slow67 where in nc are you ??

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: earthmover] #923430
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I'm in china grove just north of kannapolis

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: SLOW67] #923431
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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: earthmover] #923432
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How much fenderwell can be removed without hurting the structure?I had to cut my fenderwells pretty big to get the fenderwell headers to fit threw.Its a 68 dart and a mild 499 is going into it.

Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: challengermike] #923433
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Here are a pics of what I did with my 71 Valiant

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Re: No front fenderwells? [Re: Steve Barton] #923434
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Here are a pics of what I did with my 71 Valiant


Do my eyes decieve me?....or is that a Chassisworks A-Arm kit on your Mopar clip...

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