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Post deleted by moparts #919638 02/02/11 02:14 PM 02/02/11 02:14 PM
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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919639 02/02/11 02:17 PM 02/02/11 02:17 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	no difference in the block. there is an excellent article about the myths around 440 block on the 440source.com web site.

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919640 02/02/11 02:18 PM 02/02/11 02:18 PM
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HemiRick master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	That MH motor will work fine in a car no significant differences. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Post deleted by moparts [Re: HemiRick] #919641 02/02/11 02:31 PM 02/02/11 02:31 PM
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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919642 02/02/11 02:43 PM 02/02/11 02:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,323 La Grange, Ky 70rrclone pro stock
70rrclone pro stock Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,323 La Grange, Ky	i just finished installing a 77 440/727 out of a 33ft titan mh in my 70 satellite. all the i had to do for the engine was change the motor mounts, oil pan and manifolds. for the trans i swapped output shaft and the tail housing. got the right driveshaft from Tony's . i have been driving it the last few days and have had no issues. i didnt build it though it was very clean and only had 50K on it.

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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919644 02/02/11 03:42 PM 02/02/11 03:42 PM
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70rrclone pro stock Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,323 La Grange, Ky	mine being a 77 has 452 heads that use a tapered seat spark plug and i am told they have diffrent/extra cooling passages in the head im not sure what they used in 70 though. the 727 that came out of the mh had a very short talshaft and an e brake mounted to it. you car trans will should work fine just make sure you have the right converter for the eng (int/ext balance). Shane

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919645 02/02/11 03:55 PM 02/02/11 03:55 PM
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70gtx440dana master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,519 Lansing, MI	Quote: This one has 70K on it. I have a few 402 pans and the 70 HP manifolds and car mounts. Glad to hear that it will work. I assume the trans has a different spline on the output? I have the original trans from the car so I may use it. I also assume since its a 70 model it would have 906 heads? Or did they use something else on truck/motor homes? The 70 440 HP car motor did not use the 402 pan....it used a 6 quart pan & pick-up that was new for 70....the 402 will work but not correct if you will be trying to simulate factory correct for 70 440 HP 70 Road Runner 383-4 4 speed FJ5 & black guts 70 Charger R/T 440-4 4 speed FJ5 & white guts

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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919647 02/02/11 04:48 PM 02/02/11 04:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana F Fury Fan master
Fury Fan master F Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana	If you're focusing on teh correct oil pan because you want this engine 'correct' as an HP, just keep in mind that 70-71 440 HPs have heavier 6-pak rods and are externally balanced, so you'd need to change all that, too. Just use a pan in good condition that will fit.

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919648 02/02/11 04:53 PM 02/02/11 04:53 PM
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70gtx440dana master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,519 Lansing, MI	Quote: I appreciate the info. What pan number did the 70 use? I will need to hunt one down. I just built a 70 383 for my Road Runner and used the 402. Is it correct? If not, did it use the 440 6 quart also? I think Mopar Performance sells a 6 quart and pickup? Would it work on the 440? The 402 pan was still correct for 70 383. Some had the # stamped in the bottom and some did not. I have never seen a 70 440 6 quart pan with the # stamped in it. The 70 parts book calls out part #2951564 for the pan. 70 Road Runner 383-4 4 speed FJ5 & black guts 70 Charger R/T 440-4 4 speed FJ5 & white guts

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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919650 02/02/11 07:07 PM 02/02/11 07:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana F Fury Fan master
Fury Fan master F Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana	Quote: I am not going to focus on correct internals. I do want it externally correct as possible. I just want to freshen it up with existing internals. Since I am doing this I will most likely use a 727 that is currently behind a 69 383. Can I use the stock converter that is on this trans. or do I need a 70 style?? I need one more schooling on the internal/external balance issue. 70 is when they changed it correct? I am just trying to avoid future problems with vibrations. Could I simply use the converter from the trans. that is currently on the 440? Or use the complete trans if it has the long tail shaft? I don't have enough experience on pans so I better got the 6 quart and tube from Ma Mopar. I assume it will look fairly correct? Yes, 70-71 440 HP and 6-pk got internally balanced due to teh heavy rods. Assuming it's not been cobbled over teh years, a motorhome trans will have an external parking brake and will be a short-tail. No good for car use. If this 70 engine is internally-balanced any 67-newer 'internal-balanced' 727 converter will work. Sounds like either teh MH or the 69 converter should be OK. Whether it will give a desirable stall speed is another matter.

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor [Re: Fury Fan] #919651 02/02/11 07:21 PM 02/02/11 07:21 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: I am not going to focus on correct internals. I do want it externally correct as possible. I just want to freshen it up with existing internals. Since I am doing this I will most likely use a 727 that is currently behind a 69 383. Can I use the stock converter that is on this trans. or do I need a 70 style?? I need one more schooling on the internal/external balance issue. 70 is when they changed it correct? I am just trying to avoid future problems with vibrations. Could I simply use the converter from the trans. that is currently on the 440? Or use the complete trans if it has the long tail shaft? I don't have enough experience on pans so I better got the 6 quart and tube from Ma Mopar. I assume it will look fairly correct? Yes, 70-71 440 HP and 6-pk got EXTERNALLY balanced due to the heavy rods. Assuming it's not been cobbled over the years, a motorhome trans will have an external parking brake and will be a short-tail. No good for car use. If this 70 engine is internally-balanced any 67-newer 'internal-balanced' 727 converter will work. Sounds like either the MH or the 69 converter should be OK. Whether it will give a desirable stall speed is another matter. Fixed

Post deleted by moparts [Re: Fury Fan] #919652 02/02/11 07:21 PM 02/02/11 07:21 PM
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Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919653 02/02/11 07:25 PM 02/02/11 07:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Good deal. I have heard of some 70's truck motors that have the six pack rods and crank. I don't know if there is any truth to it? I guess I will find out on teardown. As far as the trans goes, should I just scrap it or one of the other posts said he changed out the tail shaft and housing and used the trans. What are the last three on the six pack rods so I can check them. I am not concerned with stall speeds. Not after performance. Just want a nice reliable drivetrain. You can swap the mainshaft and the tail off a smallblock car trans and throw a shift kit in it and be good to go , go thru it while it's apart. Buy a Hi stall factory refurbed convertor from Dayco , they are about 75 plus your core .

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor #919654 02/02/11 07:29 PM 02/02/11 07:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I am not going to focus on correct internals. I do want it externally correct as possible. I just want to freshen it up with existing internals. Since I am doing this I will most likely use a 727 that is currently behind a 69 383. Can I use the stock converter that is on this trans. or do I need a 70 style?? I need one more schooling on the internal/external balance issue. 70 is when they changed it correct? I am just trying to avoid future problems with vibrations. Could I simply use the converter from the trans. that is currently on the 440? Or use the complete trans if it has the long tail shaft? I don't have enough experience on pans so I better got the 6 quart and tube from Ma Mopar. I assume it will look fairly correct? Just saw this , ignore my post above , use the 69 383 trans and convertor ... assuming it's an internal balance engine , if it's external just buy the B+M weighted flexplate and use the 383 convertor ... the 70 440 in HP trim used the 6qt Hemi pan.

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor [Re: JohnRR] #919655 02/02/11 10:37 PM 02/02/11 10:37 PM
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67plymouthman enthusiast 6 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 337 Colorado	Are the valves the same size in both the truck and car motors???

Re: 70 440 car vs truck motor [Re: JohnRR] #919656 02/03/11 01:40 PM 02/03/11 01:40 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana F Fury Fan master
Fury Fan master F Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana	Quote: Yes, 70-71 440 HP and 6-pk got EXTERNALLY balanced due to the heavy rods. Fixed Thanks, JohnRR, I re-read it a few times while I was typing it and still missed it.

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