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dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) #911545
01/23/11 02:51 PM
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Hello everyone! I am new to the Mopar community. I grew up peeking over the dashes of challengers and roadrunners (My Dad still has a #'s matching 1968 Hemi RR, 383 RR, and 69 Cuda), but have spent the last 10 years of my life restoring Toyota Land Cruisers. About 4 years ago I ran into Betty, and this is what she looked like the day I brought her home:
I had just brought her home (Mrs. Maddox was NOT happy) - previous owner used CHEAP primer which hid bondo over 1/2" thick!!!!!!!!!!


That is exactly what I said.....what the heck is it? Notice the cowling was cut in half.
Good news - it was indeed all #'s mathing 1970 Plymouth RoadRunner, customer ordered. N96 air grabber hood, rare citron poly mist color, 4 speed, and all the cool fixins. (I thought) This is probably as common as a honda accord talking to you guys...

It was for sale BECAUSE the current owner:

1. Destroyed the restoration process. There were parts, bolts, pieces, trim, everywhere. Nothing was labled.
2. He had the engine rebuilt by a nationally known engine builder, it was 1/2 way through the build process and couldn't pay the bill on the work done. (So the engine was being held hostage).
3. No room, bills, money, the usual things we can run into.

It was rusty - luckily not the fenders, but it was rusty - wrecked (slid into a guard rail), and torn to pieces.

I started by cutting the cowling out of a donor car (along with the driver floor) and solving those problems:


Previous owner also hacked out a strange diamond-like shape hole here:
[IMG]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h163/cinez/IMG_4103.jpg[/IMG
This project was not overwhelming at all....


Then I had to get busy with the engine. I paid off the engine builder and had him complete it. Keith Black pistons, slightly aggressive cam, MSD ignition, and a few other hidden goodies. I also had him dyno it and run it in for an additional fee.
After it was completed, it was ready too install, timing set, 405 hp, 410 ft. lbs of torque:

After that 5,000 bill - I moved back onto the body, welding in a new trunk and finishing the floors. (I have restored 13 Land Cruisers and have done LOTS of sheet metal work) What can't an angle grinder and a wire feed welder fix in the auto body world?


Breakfast in......the trunk.

Ready for the new trunk floor:

After steel was in, I used:

New trunk primered and sealed:



More floor work:

Now - to take the entire body down to steel....by hand.

I had to cut out the bottom of the rear driver:


. . .the trunk had a JC Whitney "wing" on it.....no wing came on this one. So I welded shut the holes and fixed the trunk.

While waiting for other supplies, a friend of mine has a contact at Boyd Coddington (Welcome to Boyd Coddington Wheels) and have them custom make me some wheels.
PLEASE don't cringe. I know these aren't ralley's or any OEM wheel, I just have an idea here if it doesn't work, I'll change them back to OEM.
Front: 17x7 (BFG 215x40x17)
Rear 18X12 (Hoosier D.O.T. drag radials 315.30.18)
It took Boyd Coddington 6 months to deliver these custom made wheels:




They look beautiful....but this is all the peaking you get for now.
More fine hand work:


POR 15 the enderside and 1st coat of primer....

Using light coats of filler on the huge Plymouth fenders to make it perfect. . .

Final primer


FINALLY....seeing some of that lushious FY4 Citron Poly Mist
Just after jambing the car....

Engine bay:

Interior jambed:

Exterior of the doors and fenders:


Body exterior, hood and trunk are next....

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911546
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Car painted last Wednesday . . .sorry for the horrible photos. Hi-Def photos soon.



I have crappy "roller" wheels and tires, so over-spray is no big deal.






Doors are finished being painted - alpine white inside.

Yes - the PO hacked for speakers, lame. Will be hidden with door panels however.





Now we are working on the front end, piecing it together first, and then will remove it to put the engine on, etc.. (Yes, I know inside wheel wells are supposed to be FY4.

I ordered the Disc conversion kit form JEGS because I was missing far too many parts. Thanks for those who helped me with the booster (https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6420265&an=0&page=12#Post6420265)












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Rear wheels mounted.

I had to completely rebuild the rear axle, and order new 11" drums for the rear.

I decided on a Hoosier 315.30.18 tire to fill the rear wells. I know many of you are purists and to a huge respect, I am too, but I hope I am doing this car some justice. If everyone pukes, I'll go back to OEM, or maybe get a set of each when the budget allows.



Tire is 12.5" wide, 26" tall.







Thanks for any tips, comments, or ideas as I plug through this restoration and empty my savings account.

It is definitely a new and fun experience!

-dmaddox

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911548
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Welcome to Moparts.. It looks like you are going to have a really nice car when you are done...Keep up the good work..

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) #911550
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Plymouth's gonna getcha! There are 3 things that will live forever, cockroaches, Keith Richards, & slant 6 Dusters 71 gtx 440 4speed air grabber blue on blue with white vinyl roof
Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: 440beep] #911551
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You have done exceptional work there!!! Since I see you are very talented before installing the engine correct a couple of small things in the engine compartment: Take the voltage regulator bracket off firewall along with clutch boot and that wire and the heater box and 3 nuts off wiper studs throttle cable and shock bushings and anything else that unbolts and touchup. With a car that fine you'll be happy you did it now and not later.

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: 440beep] #911552
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I like the colour, love the wheels...But the resto quality has a lot to be desired if you want to "hang with the Mopar folks"....

First off...If you're taking a car to that level of dis-assembly then why the heck wouldn't you spend an afternoon removing all the components and small parts that you just blatantly painted over ?

To do a correct restoration you have to think like the factory(s) did back in the 70's. One of the first things they did was paint the car...then assemble it, MEANING when you restore the car it should be stripped 100% of every nut and bolt....

I know what you're going to say...."you're not going concourse", "you're just building a driver"...I've heard them all before....but, my God....the body and paint look beautiful, the money you've spent on wheels and a motor etc.. deserve the proper restoration on the whole car...

...and if you're going to say "oh yea, I'm going to remove those items and restore them properly later" you're just making a TON more work for yourself.

By now you've probably figured out your lower ball joints were set in place on the wrong side of the car.
Also before priming new metal like the trunk floor you should cut all the holes in it for the rubber floor plugs, weld in all brackets...then prime, that way those bare metal ares get the same sealed-in treatment as the rest of the floor


Be sure to keep posting pictures, I would love to see the finished product


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: anlauto] #911553
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Thank you for the comments and constructive criticism.

First, I didn't blatantly paint over anything. I simply didn't know, nor do I what colors little bits and pieces need to be. I am using Bob's 70 restoration (http://www.70roadrunner.com/DSC02016.JPG) to fix these problems. The clutch boot I am replacing new - so I didn't care about that, and the heater bolts had gold-ish paint on them, so I thought it was oem. Woops! I will fix them.

Fact of the matter, I have a 1970 FSM (black/white) and boxes full of parts, some of which are not even mopar (I have found ford, briggs and stratton, and even gmc truck parts in the boxes). So, I have had to dig through everything to try and even find correct pieces.

The voltage regulator bracket - what color is it supposed to be? Silver/raw?

The nuts holding the heater box on - what color are those supposed to be? Silver/raw?

What else can I fix?

I knew I had the ball joints on the wrong side - found that out when I went to install the disc conversion setup. One of those DUH moments.

I want to do this right!

I have not installed the motor yet. These pictures were taken yesterday for the most part. So, I can do things right with your help (yes, thank you so much).

The trunk I have not even messed with or painted yet, so I can drill those plug holes out and re-sand and seal as needed.

This is the VERY REASON I wanted to post this, to get feedback and ideas. So thank you!

If you see anything else, please don't hesitate.

-dallas

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911554
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Hey Dallas, the car is beautiful. It is great to see a car in a "not so popular" color going back together, I think it looks amazing!!

The only thing I would have done would be keep the frame rails body color up front. Other than that, I am not a huge aftermarket wheel fan but it is your car that is going to be made for you, so be happy with all the work you do.

Hey, at least you didnt paint it black under the hood!!

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911555
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Quote:

First, I didn't blatantly paint over anything. I simply didn't know, nor do I what colors little bits and pieces need to be. .....The clutch boot I am replacing new - so I didn't care about that,




Sorry if I came off sounding a little harsh...I don't always type what I mean...or at least it never comes out sounding like I thought...

The "I didn't care about that" is kinda what I was referring to...The boot pops out in less than two seconds. If you had of did that PRIOR to paint, you could have got a nice clean fresh painted suface under the new boot. It's these little details that make a better quality restoration.

To continue correcting these little things I see several items under the hood alone that should be removed and refinsihed in their proper colours.

the throttle cable (natural colours)
POS. batttery cable holder (natural with black dip)
UCA access shields (semi gloss black)
Regulator bracket as mentioned (gold cad)
Heater box bolts (gold cad)
Front Shocks (flat black)
Clutch shaft ball stud (silver cad)
Clutch switch wire (green)


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: anlauto] #911556
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Thanks - I'll be fixing these items this week and updating the forum. You didn't come off harsh, I am just easily offended - ha ha ha. It is all for the better good. I meant I didn't care about the old clutch boot, the way I worded it made it sound like I dont care about details, I do - so i'll fix it.

Thanks again!

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There's a lot of knowledgeable people here with 100's of years experience restoring Mopars....You've come to the right place...but be warned the more detailed photos you post...the more critical the "mob" will get...

I have 26 years of experience restoring Mopars and currently working on seven cars including two 70 Plymouth B Bodies


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: anlauto] #911558
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Don't forget to black out the rad support area that can be seen behind the grille. You don't want to see body color behind the grille on a FY4 car. Some darker colored cars were left body color, but your lighter colored cars should always be blacked out .

Greg


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Quote:

.but be warned the more detailed photos you post...the more critical the "mob" will get...




constructive criticism of course

70RR's are my favorite, as you can see on the ACMR 70RR vert thread below. Been restoring them for about 20+yrs.

Wish I had as much room in my barn as yours.

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #911560
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Love ur car & color choice... Not crazy about wheels. KEEP UP GOOD WORK

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: sleepyhead416] #911561
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Quote:

Love ur car & color choice... Not crazy about wheels. KEEP UP GOOD WORK





My thoughts exactly...the car is looking great though!


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: TexasPowerRam] #911562
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Welcome to Moparts and thanks for taking time to post photos of your resto. You are doing a nice job and I think it looks great. Don't feel too bad about making mistakes. No one, even the most experienced person, is perfect. Just keep doing your best and it will turn out great and something to be proud of. Keep the pics coming, can't wait to see the end result.



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I think your car looks great. I have a 69 charger that is the same color originally. I was wondering what brand and type paint you used? It looks like a dead on match for mine. Please post more pics

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: grizzlygiff] #911564
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thanks!!

I used Lesonal paints. I had PPG picked out, but decided on the smooth looking base of lesonal.

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