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Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: mopar_man] #910314
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I had a steel crank from a 318 that had a 1971 340 number on it but it wasn't drilled through the front & rear rod throws, the 273 steel cranks were that way too. One more tidbit I took a 1970 318 apart that was from a manual tranny Duster and it had the 1973 cast shot peen numbered crank.

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Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: 500ciDuster] #910315
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I had a steel crank from a 318 that had a 1971 340 number on it but it wasn't drilled through the front & rear rod throws, the 273 steel cranks were that way too. One more tidbit I took a 1970 318 apart that was from a manual tranny Duster and it had the 1973 cast shot peen numbered crank.

Mitch




I wasn't aware that they put part numbers on cranks, casting numbers yes, but those are different animals than part numbers.


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Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: Supercuda] #910316
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273 and 318 used the same cranks, the forged cranks used in them were NOT drilled in the journals. They both were balanced for the same bob weights and used the same rods and the 273 had a heavier wrist pin to make up for the lighter pistons so they could use the same balance factor. The 340 used a much heavier piston and rod so it required a lighter rod journal to balance it internally even with the forged crank, that is the reason the crank pins had lightening holes drilled in them ONLY in the 340. The balancers for all 3 of those motors was the same any given year until the 340 went cast crank, the cast crank just was not heavy enough to balance internally useing the stock heavy pistons and rods even though the cast crank 273 and 318 could still be balanced internally with the cast crank, they just started drilling holes in the cast crank pin so the 273 and 318 could internally balance.

Bottom line, if it is forged and has holes in the crank pin it is from a 340, if there are not lightening holes in the crank pin than it is from a 273-318. All cast crank had the lightening holes in the crank pins weather 273 318 or 340.


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Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: HotRodDave] #910317
01/23/11 04:48 PM
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Thanks Dave!That is what I thought!It is amazing how many people will respond to a post when they have no knowledge of the subject!

Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: 68GTS383] #910318
01/23/11 05:29 PM
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Some forged cranks do have numbers,when I sold it that was the reason the guy bought it.I have a set off those heavy wrist pins from a 273, they are really thick.

Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: HotRodDave] #910319
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273 and 318 used the same cranks, the forged cranks used in them were NOT drilled in the journals. They both were balanced for the same bob weights and used the same rods and the 273 had a heavier wrist pin to make up for the lighter pistons so they could use the same balance factor. The 340 used a much heavier piston and rod so it required a lighter rod journal to balance it internally even with the forged crank, that is the reason the crank pins had lightening holes drilled in them ONLY in the 340. The balancers for all 3 of those motors was the same any given year until the 340 went cast crank, the cast crank just was not heavy enough to balance internally useing the stock heavy pistons and rods even though the cast crank 273 and 318 could still be balanced internally with the cast crank, they just started drilling holes in the cast crank pin so the 273 and 318 could internally balance.

Bottom line, if it is forged and has holes in the crank pin it is from a 340, if there are not lightening holes in the crank pin than it is from a 273-318. All cast crank had the lightening holes in the crank pins weather 273 318 or 340.




I have a 1969 273 (marine engine supposedly) crank that is through drilled, and extensively drilled on the counterweights to achieve balance.

Randy

Re: 340 crank in a 318 from factory? [Re: dodgefarmer] #910320
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Correct me if I'm wrong..........

A casting number is the raw piece, unmachined..........

The p/n is then assigned when the part is modified/machined to the required spec'd per the application that the engineer created it for.

I'm saying this to inform some that haven't seen the distinction.

So, a given crank casting number could apply to either a 318/273 or 340 depending on how it was machined and the p/n assigned.

At, that's how it went when I worked for a competitor.


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