Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
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01/23/11 04:46 PM
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The 3.5 HO engines were always mounted like a RWD car. The LHS and 300M used the engine in the same orientation with a transaxle mounted behind the engine. It's an all aluminum engine that would be a prime candidate for this kind of swap. You would need to run the factory computer to keep the variable cam timing and variable intake manifold operating.
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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01/23/11 07:48 PM
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On an odd/strange/queer/bizarre but related note...
Me and an import buddy were bench racing a while back. We got to talking about the Honda s2000 when i started talking about Ford 2.3L's. Here you have a 2800lb car with a N/A 2L 4cyl engine, that makes 240HP, mated to what is an apparently amazing 6spd transmission, and RWD. I thought hey, lets put one in my Pinto. He joked and said lets put one in your Challenger...
Much demented math later...
70 6cyl/3spd stick/7 1/4" Challenger... NO options. 3006lb curb weight, less the rust mine now has. Ditch the six, all the old powertrain and anything else we could think ov, drop in a 2L Honda 4/6spd, small alum shaft, keep the 7 1/4"... and then go to town on the usual ('tasteful') Jenny Craig treatment. At VERY minimum... we were looking at the s2000 powertrain in an old car that weighed the same or less. If you kept the rolling stock within reason you could theoretically expect to replicate the Honda performance...???
13 second 1/4's, 150+ top speed, 30 mpg...??? Well, not quite. The sheer aerodynamics would prevent that, but you might get close. Maybe a 14 second 1/4, 120mpg top speed, 25mpg...??? That pretty much exceeds most Challengers if we're being honest. Now, ov course you'd have a better exhaust doing a custom swap... other mods, more weight reduction, aero mods would help especially in a low-torque combo... Things could get interesting. Not to mention the mindblown looks you'd get at a Mopar show with the sound ov a 9000rpm buzzbomb coming from under the hood ov a badass looking car...
Bet with an all aluminum ricer powertrain you could get that sucker down to 2500lbs with a LOT ov steel left in the car. Anyone want to donate a car for the experiment...??? I'll send it to my buddy. I'm not touching this one... . . .
i like the idea, but think a 66 dart would be better to start with, smaller, prob a little lighter.
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
[Re: 340duster340]
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01/23/11 09:00 PM
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A valiant is lighter than a dart.
The mopar action article is wrong about when the motor mounts were switched, my 91 dak had the flat mounts on the sides of the 318, it also had the old ear type but they were not used.
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
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01/24/11 01:05 PM
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the LX is a RWD, and they've used the 42RE and the A580 behind it....
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
[Re: patrick]
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01/24/11 02:27 PM
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Ok, I had a 2 door Dodge Shadow ES with a 2.5 NA and a A-520 5 speed, 3.55:1 gears. Stock it was a slug. Weighed about 2900 Lbs. But I did a few mods to it. Got Hypereutic pistons that bumped it to 9.5 and then shaved the block 0.030 and 0.020 off the head. The measured CR was 11.2:1. I then ported the head and put the middle sized valves in. Ported Iron ex manifold. Then 2.5" pipes. I had a LRE 260 Degree Roller cam. Removed the balence shafts. Deep oil pan with a windage tray. Mallory VI version of a MSD multy-spark. Weber 2v 32mm carb. Weight reduced down to 2500 LBs. It ran 14.25's if I short shifted at 4500 RPM. Got 41 MPG, 90% freeway, if I tried but normal driving it avaraged 37 MPG in mixed traffic. My 65 Cuda weiged at 2900 Lbs with a TEEN, A904 and 7 1/4 rear. On a 3.9 V6, find a 3.8 Buick Type T turbo setup and swap in on. With 4 to 6 PSI should work. I just happen to have a Type T setup for a Q-Jet 4 bbl. Put a 2.8 CRD from a Liberty in a A body... There are loads of hop-ups for this Deisel. Stroke it to a 3.1, bigger turbo....... Stock was 160 to 180 HP with lots of torque.
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
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01/24/11 03:22 PM
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I thought the Liberty diesel was a problem child??
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Re: Dakota V6 or 4 Cyl Into A Body Swap
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07/03/12 12:46 AM
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A slant 6 weighs about 50 lbs less than a 318.
This is a pretty old thread to dig up. There was a comment about the 4 cyl sprint engines. Many of them were based on one bank of an LA engine and take a single cylinder head. Those things will crank out some power!
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