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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: RSI700VIPER]
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01/17/11 07:34 PM
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IMO - RED FLAGs concerning authenticity of pictured fender tag. pristine condition awesome color combination "rare" options for an otherwise "cheap" Road Runner ERRORS Without backup documentation, I would call it "FAKE" not reproduction! additional ramblings:  As the fender tag presents this car - it is not typical of the 6,888 383/automatic '70 Road Runner coupes (RM21N0) built, and if authentic would represent an exceptional/desirable/collectable/drivable/enjoyable car.
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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01/17/11 07:41 PM
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as stated, the fender tag appears to be "not original" it hasn't been bent up to have overspray under it, nor does it have the inspector's "marks"
i would like to see window sticker/buildsheet, or other documentation on the car, before i lay out $$$
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: DPelletier]
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01/17/11 07:51 PM
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As far as the guys saying who cares: well I would. If you are buying a car it's nice to know whether or not the most important pce of information is actually real or not! 
 The most important piece of information is the title that matches the car...It's the only way to enjoy it down the road...If it's priced right buy it and enjoy it... 
In order to know whether a collector car is "priced right" you need to know if the car has it's original FT or a fake one and whether it's been color changed etc. as far as the title matching the car......well, that SHOULD go without saying.
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If he likes the price and the car the tag shouldn't matter. Unless he is one of the guys that only wants an investment not enjoyment then I can see why. If that the case he should have someone verify the car as in BS vs FT not just ask about the tag it could just be a repo from a rusted original. I always by stuff because I want it and that what it's worth to me. I for sure am not an "anti numbers clone guy" as you say but I also am not one of those jerks that walks up to car like Erkel and pulls a book out and looks at the tag and says that car should have the chrome sport mirrors NOT PAINTED ones and walks away shaking his head..... 
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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01/17/11 08:00 PM
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IMO - RED FLAGs concerning authenticity of pictured fender tag.
pristine condition
awesome color combination
"rare" options for an otherwise "cheap" Road Runner
ERRORS
So it does have errors on the tag? That's pretty clear cut. Unlikely possibilities are more grey area, but "build the case".
Does the seller have pictures of the car pre restoration?
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
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01/17/11 08:14 PM
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Ok...Pristine condition of the tag I understand, awesome colour combo, I can agree with...But rare options?
You're talking about a car with chrome mirrors, hood pins and a black stripe....What the heck is so rare and desirable about that?
What "errors" are you talking about?
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: DPelletier]
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01/17/11 09:22 PM
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A lot of you responded that if the car is nice and I like it, who cares that the tag is fake. Well, I would agree until that one day when someone comes up and looks at the tag at a show and states, "dude...you have a fake tag". Then you feel that swelling ball in the pit of your stomach. You do some research and find out the guy is right. THEN you get discouraged because you always wanted a hemi orange RR, but now you don't know what color the car originally was. You put it up on e-bay hoping to get your money back then everyone here on Moparts e-mails you and says your car is a fake. More agony and dispair. You eventually part the car out because nobody wants it and loose 1/2 your investment. 
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: 70gtx440dana]
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01/17/11 10:02 PM
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I might consider buying this 70 roadrunner, but the fender tag looks a little too nice.
Experts chime in?
I am no expert here.....but most if not all of the original 70 St. Louis built tags have an inspection stamp or two in the upper RH corner. They also usually show signs of being bent up on the LH screw area. I have attached photo.
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: RSI700VIPER]
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01/17/11 10:14 PM
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Here's another Road Runner, currently on Ebay - "viamin C" 4-spd hardtop  + V6Y V8X -26 END N41 N42 N85 N96 R11 V21 EK2 A87 J25 J45 L31 M21 EK2 H2X9 TX9 924 046239 E63 D21 RM23 N0G 114833 **** per the Ebay ad (another "FAKE" tag) Now, if this car & the "OP's" subject car were advertised (would it be called honestly?  ) as "built & OPTIONED as I would've ordered it new" ..... but they were originally EB7 "Jamaica blue metallic" exterior & H2B5 "blue" bench seat interior ..... would the "perceived" value be lesser or greater than it currently is?  I know we live in a buyer beware world, but isn't that what the OP is doing? He wants something specific for his money, and doesn't want to find out after the fact that OPTIONS were added or the color was changed.
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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01/18/11 12:59 AM
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My opinion = Not a Factory produced tag, and there is a reason not yet mentioned (which I will not disclose) that makes me think so.
That's fine, I don't think the guys who make fake tags need to be educated. Just wondering if there was more than just condition, bend, and inspector stamp that was wrong with the tag.
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: autoxcuda]
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01/18/11 01:27 AM
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Just wondering if there was more than just condition, bend, and inspector stamp that was wrong with the tag.
Yes there is, more than a one thing too.
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
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01/18/11 01:45 AM
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def a reproduced piece, maybe be a fake!! without anyother evidence, the whole car maybe a fake!! buyer beware?? 
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Re: Is this fender tag Legit?
[Re: SkynyrdTim]
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01/18/11 05:32 PM
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Couldn't resist responding to this thread. The most important thing about the car is it's VIN. What is the VIN? If the VIN is correct, then the buyer won't get ripped off. The only way he would get ripped off would be if it was a Satellite and not a Road Runner. Since it's not a Hemi or a six-pack car, not too many people are going to care if it's the original color or has the original engine, for that matter.
Most people who buy Road Runners buy them because they like the way they look and love to drive fast. I love my '72 Road Runner, even though it's not the original blue color. I get way more compliments with the plum crazy purple color. I'll take my '69 440 engine over the original 400 that came with the car any day. And my fender tag is long gone from a previous accident. Who cares? Unless you buy the car as an investment, the only thing that matters is whether or not YOU are happy with the car. WAY too many people out there who are only into Mopars for the money or bragging rights. The only way you will impress me is to show me what the car can do. That's all that should matter. It's a MACHINE meant to be driven hard and fast, not an investment.
Unfortunately these MACHINEs are PRICED as investments so one needs to make sure what they are buying is legit when the price is high.
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