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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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I don't have a clue on that but I love your Dart. Stick shift 8.70's!
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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I am wondering can the 440-1 heads and 440-3 intake be gasket matched to the 572-13 gasket size ? if possible is there any gains to be had doing that ? thanks Rich
FWIW we used to use the 440-3 manifold on -13 heads, port matching this combo, you'll find yourself close to running out of material on the manifold roof, maybe 2mm left, also we had to fill the floor. It doesn't give you lots of faith in the gasket but it seemed to work OK for us. On the other hand it maybe that we had a bad manifold with some of core shift (it was consistent across all ports though). The inlet ports on the -13 heads seem to be higher in the head than the -1's so you may not have any problems. Maybe someone who has both heads will be able to confirm that. The -3x manifold bought to replace it was way better.
It's worth doing IMHO. I'd guess there will be a measurable difference HP wise but seat of the pants? 
BTW we picked up a little with the 3X manifold.
Hope this helps 
'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Nice ride! What is your combo?
The 572-13 is a 440-1 casting that has been machined for 13 degree valve angle versus 15 for the 440-1 heads. So that would raise the port location slightly. I wouldn't mess with the exhaust port size, and I think it would be a good idea to tread carefully working with the intake side. Its' tough to replace metal if the mods cost you power instead of increasing it. I agree the 4403X is a great intake, and a proper match to your ports might be the right way to fly. I use the 4403X on my 528.
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Hey nice ride!  . Tell me about your 4spd and clutch set up!   I love sticks 
same here,ive been wantin to build a 4 (or 5) speed but you hear so many horor stories about failures at your level.
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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i just had these 440-1s 345 CNCed by MM, for a 540. the gaskets shown are 2.72 in. x 1.40 (Mr Gasket #302) and they will need trimmed slightly height wise to match the heads. the 440-3 intake will need a lot of material removed to match up. i will most likely switch to the 3X now and be done with it....but with that intake, hood clearance will be a concern 
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Hey nice ride! . Tell me about your 4spd and clutch set up! I love sticks
same here,ive been wantin to build a 4 (or 5) speed but you hear so many horor stories about failures at your level.
Thanks its a G Force clutch assisted 4 speed with a Ram long style adjustable with counter weights p.p sintered iron disc. clutch and p.p BUILT BY TIM HYATT AT HYATT RACING SERVICES. I love this trans. i broke it a couple times my fault too much base pres.
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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i just had these 440-1s 345 CNCed by MM, for a 540. the gaskets shown are 2.72 in. x 1.40 (Mr Gasket #302) and they will need trimmed slightly height wise to match the heads.
the 440-3 intake will need a lot of material removed to match up.
i will most likely switch to the 3X now and be done with it....but with that intake, hood clearance will be a concern
do you the trim the gasket at the top outside edge ? where will the most metal have to come off ? .050 on the top. The.135 on the sides would this come off the outside not the port dividers ? can i ask what do they flow ? why dose the 3x need less work than the -3 ? thanks
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Hey nice ride! . Tell me about your 4spd and clutch set up! I love sticks
same here,ive been wantin to build a 4 (or 5) speed but you hear so many horor stories about failures at your level.
Thanks its a G Force clutch assisted 4 speed with a Ram long style adjustable with counter weights p.p sintered iron disc. clutch and p.p BUILT BY TIM HYATT AT HYATT RACING SERVICES. I love this trans. i broke it a couple times my fault too much base pres.
Which trans? the G-101 maybe? 
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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i just had these 440-1s 345 CNCed by MM, for a 540. the gaskets shown are 2.72 in. x 1.40 (Mr Gasket #302) and they will need trimmed slightly height wise to match the heads.
the 440-3 intake will need a lot of material removed to match up.
i will most likely switch to the 3X now and be done with it....but with that intake, hood clearance will be a concern
can i ask how hi do you turn you engine and who is MM ?
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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do you the trim the gasket at the top outside edge ? where will the most metal have to come off ? .050 on the top. The.135 on the sides would this come off the outside not the port dividers ? can i ask what do they flow ? why dose the 3x need less work than the -3 ? thanks
i just laid the gaskets in place for reference. ony minor trimming will be needed for the gaskets. i don't yet know exactly where the material would have to be removed from the intake. not saying the 3x will take less work.
Muscle Motors says they flow roughly 385-388 intake
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Re: 440-1 / 572-13
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i just had these 440-1s 345 CNCed by MM, for a 540. the gaskets shown are 2.72 in. x 1.40 (Mr Gasket #302) and they will need trimmed slightly height wise to match the heads.
the 440-3 intake will need a lot of material removed to match up.
i will most likely switch to the 3X now and be done with it....but with that intake, hood clearance will be a concern
has that intake been gasket matched before ? my heads and intake have been matched to the -1 gasket and when i lay the -13 gasket on them most of the work is on the side moving the port twards the bolt holes and very little to the top. your heads look great.
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