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Have not started my Charger since October..... #901254 01/10/11 05:03 PM 01/10/11 05:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	I have not started my 70 Charger RT since Oct.2010 Shouldnt there still be some oil on the cylinders so that i can just fire it up now instead of shooting some oil into the cylinders before firing it up? My combo is 512RB with Aluminum heads,950HP carb with 10.5 comp. I will probably have to prime my carb because I am sure all of the fuel has probably drained back and I routinely have to do that even if it sat for just a couple of days.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Blakcharger440] #901255 01/10/11 05:33 PM 01/10/11 05:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,639 PA 7 70Duster top fuel
70Duster top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,639 PA	Just let it crank and let the fuel pump prime the carb. By the time the fuel fills the carb bowls, you will have built up some oil pressure from the cranking. Mine sits from October to March every year with no issues when I start it in the spring.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Blakcharger440] #901256 01/10/11 05:36 PM 01/10/11 05:36 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 679 N.E Indiana R repad super street
repad super street R Joined: May 2004 Posts: 679 N.E Indiana	You may want to consider priming the oil pump before you fire it up. This envolves removing the distrubutor and intermediate shaft then inserting a priming shaft into the oil pump and priming with a drill spinning in reverse. If you want to take it to the next step, spin the engine over by hand in order to get oil to the topside. This will introduce oil to everything except your cylinders.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: 70Duster] #901257 01/10/11 05:39 PM 01/10/11 05:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,443 Indiana Y YO7_A66 master
YO7_A66 master Y Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,443 Indiana	I agree with the above. I let mine set for three to four months with the same issue. I charge my battery, then I crank for 5 seconds then stop for 5 seconds. Then I will do that a couple of times. Then apply the gas pedal a couple of times and see if she fires up. If not, then I crank it for another 5 seconds and try and start her up again. It usually takes 4-5 times or so but by the time she fires, the oil is where it needs to be. This way the oil starts circulating while the fresh fuel gets pushed into the carb. 1970 YO7 A66 [Canadian Export] F8 Challenger 340 (Currently in shop for stroker assy.)

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: repad] #901258 01/10/11 05:45 PM 01/10/11 05:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	You might not notice the diff but I'd fog the cyls w WD40 or something similar. Wouldn't take much time & I think combustion drys the walls and I am overly picky but you do have alot invested in your eng and being picky lets me sleep better at night (even it it doesn't do much good) & I'd {as said} also drill prime it . Who knows if a # of dry starts would let the leakdown rate get excessive in 5 years as opposed to 8 live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: RapidRobert] #901259 01/10/11 05:54 PM 01/10/11 05:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	It's only 4 mo. My bird has sat for 6mo each year for 18 yrs and is the same as it was back in 92.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: 62maxwgn] #901260 01/10/11 06:33 PM 01/10/11 06:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: It's only 4 mo. My bird has sat for 6mo each year for 18 yrs and is the same as it was back in 92. Same here, been storing by car for 5-6 months every winter for the last 8 years. All I ever to when I go fire it up is give it a shot of gas down the carb and hit the key. Finally tore the engine apart on it this year, no unusual wear.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #901261 01/10/11 06:36 PM 01/10/11 06:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Yeah your (both) right should be no prob live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: RapidRobert] #901262 01/10/11 06:41 PM 01/10/11 06:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,782 USA J JoesMopar master
JoesMopar master J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,782 USA	I park my cars from the end of Oct until the end of March without any problems at all. Before I park them, I do an oil change, fill it up with fresh gas, add some Stabil and run the car up and down the road a few times to mix it up in the tank and get it through the carb. When I start them in the spring, I just put a charger on the battery, and turn the key long enough to get oil pressure up, then either turn on the electric fuel pump or pump gas (manual pump) and let it run.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: JoesMopar] #901263 01/10/11 07:17 PM 01/10/11 07:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,806 Newfoundland Canada M Mopar1 top fuel
Mopar1 top fuel M Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,806 Newfoundland Canada	I wouldn't worry about it. A friend of mine has his '65 Imperial (413 engine) stored in my garage and just yesterday he dropped by to start it. The last time it turned over was Oct. 09. He hit the gas, turned it a few time and it fired up, quiet as a kitten, let it run for a 1/2 hr then shut it down again.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Mopar1] #901264 01/10/11 08:44 PM 01/10/11 08:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,181 Lost in the ozone again S stubbs300 Vacation
stubbs300 Vacation S Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,181 Lost in the ozone again	People are way to anal when it comes to this subject! Have you ever changed your oil and when you fire it up, it sounds like a can of marbles for a few seconds, even after dumping 1/2 a can to prefill the filter before installing it? It's the same thing here, the residual oil is enough to keep things coated till pressure builds. I have cranked and cranked to prime the carb but by the time it fills to fire, sure you may have oil pressure by then, by why over stress your starter when you don't have to? Just dump some gas down the throat, fire it up and idle till oil pressure builds which should be within 2-5 seconds depending on your build then conduct matters as needed from there. I've been doing it this way for years and I haven't had any problems or premature wear on parts. Very early cars didn't even have oil pumps, they were oiled thru windage and sloshing of oil.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: stubbs300 ] #901265 01/11/11 08:48 PM 01/11/11 08:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,482 Lake Orion, MI goldduster318 pro stock
goldduster318 pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,482 Lake Orion, MI	Unless you're going to go for a drive on that start, don't bother. Letting it idle won't get it warm enough to boil the condensation out of the oil. I also agree, crank until you have fuel and let her rip. My lawnmower has aluminum cylinder walls, was made in 1973, has never been rebuilt and is still fine...and those are splash oiled and started at full throttle every time. '70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: goldduster318] #901266 01/12/11 06:46 AM 01/12/11 06:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	My 75 440 in my Charger had been sitting unfired for about two years when i finally got it going this fall. If pulling plugs was not such a megalithic CHORE to do in this car i may have fogged the cylinders with something, but it turned out fine anyways. My 68 Caddy sat in storage for over 10 years, usually started every few months, and i think at its worst it was 18 months in between fires, yet it always starts like new and runs beautifully. That engine is still original (un-rebuilt) and has 185-195 in all cylinders. Now... would i treat a built engine like this...??? Probably not. Then again, hopefully if i EVER get around to building an engine i'd hope to be able to park it indoors at least.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Pale_Roader] #901267 01/12/11 11:57 AM 01/12/11 11:57 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,278 San Jose, California D DennisH Vacation
DennisH Vacation D Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,278 San Jose, California	Sta-Bil.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Blakcharger440] #901268 01/14/11 10:48 PM 01/14/11 10:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 163 CT: Corrupticut M Mr71Bee member
Mr71Bee member M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 163 CT: Corrupticut	Duuuude, what have you been up to? That is too fine a car to bee sitting for so long! What weight oil you running in the crankcase? Running 20-50? I would be sure i was at least 50 outside. Cold temps and that oil will be like mole-asses in your crankcase. It will not flow so well. Not a good thing for the bearings. 10-40 is a 10-4. Unless its like 10 degrees outside or something. I would crank it a bit, pump the gas and fire it up. I start mine after sitting all winter that way, but do try to get it to 40 to 50. It warms faster and I get less chance of fuel puddling in my cold manifold. (No ex crossover) I would not be too concerned, but if you are concerned about building pressure, pull the distibutor and prime it...or pull the plugs and spin with no load. Dallas

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Mr71Bee] #901269 01/15/11 11:38 PM 01/15/11 11:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	Quote: Duuuude, what have you been up to? That is too fine a car to bee sitting for so long! What weight oil you running in the crankcase? Running 20-50? I would be sure i was at least 50 outside. Cold temps and that oil will be like mole-asses in your crankcase. It will not flow so well. Not a good thing for the bearings. 10-40 is a 10-4. Unless its like 10 degrees outside or something. I would crank it a bit, pump the gas and fire it up. I start mine after sitting all winter that way, but do try to get it to 40 to 50. It warms faster and I get less chance of fuel puddling in my cold manifold. (No ex crossover) I would not be too concerned, but if you are concerned about building pressure, pull the distibutor and prime it...or pull the plugs and spin with no load. Dallas Hey!!! It is good to see that you are on the board. Yep I am running 20-50 Valvoline in it. The temps have been in the single digits lately. I will probably wait until it warms up a little. Thanks for all the input guys! Last edited by Blakcharger440; 01/15/11 11:42 PM.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: Blakcharger440] #901270 01/16/11 09:25 AM 01/16/11 09:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: I have not started my 70 Charger RT since Oct.2010 Shouldnt there still be some oil on the cylinders so that i can just fire it up now instead of shooting some oil into the cylinders before firing it up? My combo is 512RB with Aluminum heads,950HP carb with 10.5 comp. I will probably have to prime my carb because I am sure all of the fuel has probably drained back and I routinely have to do that even if it sat for just a couple of days. Start it and drive. Lots of vehicles sit that long or longer and are started and driven with no thought to it. Not a big deal.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: MoparforLife] #901271 01/16/11 10:57 AM 01/16/11 10:57 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine 4 4BBodies mopar addict
4BBodies mopar addict 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 708 Mechanic Falls, Maine	If it is stored inside, the moisture levels are much lower than if it was outside. So if it has been sitting less than 6 months, it is probably fine. Crank it over once in awhile, to take the load off of valve springs, which will also open a different cylinder to the air. I have several vehicles I run through the winter, off and on, and after 20 years I have had few issues. The biggest are usually fuel related, not with the block or oiling. This new gas sucks, and sitting can really cause problems. There have been numerous threads on sta-bil etc., (which I use) but as far as harm to the engine from sitting a few months? Don't worry about it, run it and drive it as often as permissable. Here is a test I did in the past, when I was worried about similar things.........I took a bare piece of sheetmetal, and stuck it under the hood of a car to see if it would flash rust. It never did, in like a year.........God, I love my shop! Last edited by 4BBodies; 01/16/11 10:58 AM.

Re: Have not started my Charger since October..... [Re: 4BBodies] #901272 01/16/11 12:07 PM 01/16/11 12:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,196 Harrisburg, Pa. screamindriver master
screamindriver master Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,196 Harrisburg, Pa.	Yep, the horrible fuel these days is more of a threat than the winter hibernation...Even with stabil it's still a roll of the dice but at least with the additive it's not gum it just won't start...

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