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RPM Air Gap Porting #889705
12/27/10 03:56 PM
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What kind of gains can you get from porting an RPM Air Gap intake? I know a lot of people love the Air Gap (so do I) but I have also heard they do not do as well on large cube small blocks (418). Is it worth porting or should you look into a single plane.

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: dusterjp] #889706
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Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: pressureangle] #889707
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I think any intake can help from port matching.

We put indentation line-up dimples on each 4 intake port groupings to exactly position the intake relative to the heads when you torque it down.

Carb matching helps to. Troy has done this with his BB M-1 and at minimum helped idle quality... So we did it with my SB M-1.

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Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: autoxcuda] #889708
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What did you use to modify the plenum? Have you checked if it's alcohol resistant? I had Moroso's 2-part epoxy come "unglued" from my intake after being exposed to 10% ethanol-blended pump gas.

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: BradH] #889709
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i matched the top of mine to the carb like already shown here. i found when i mocked up my demon 750 on the carb the butterflies would touch the casting. also gasket matched the ports.
dunno how mch it helped. but im sure there was a small improvement.


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Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: thedriver] #889710
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Very interesting info here. Does anyone have flow numbers for a stock sb aig gap? I'm wondering how the runners compare. Nothing on the hughes site or Dr. Js that I can find.

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: BradH] #889711
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What did you use to modify the plenum? Have you checked if it's alcohol resistant? I had Moroso's 2-part epoxy come "unglued" from my intake after being exposed to 10% ethanol-blended pump gas.




Moroso 2-part epoxy.

Did you have the epoxy up top like this, or in the plenum for dams and such.

I've seen expoxied intakes before.

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: autoxcuda] #889712
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What did you use to modify the plenum? Have you checked if it's alcohol resistant? I had Moroso's 2-part epoxy come "unglued" from my intake after being exposed to 10% ethanol-blended pump gas.




Moroso 2-part epoxy.

Did you have the epoxy up top like this, or in the plenum for dams and such.

I've seen expoxied intakes before.



I used it to add some material to all four of the outer walls of an RB M1 intake because they're cast too wide to align properly w/ a standard runner size.

I did the "textbook" prep and added plenty of "footholds" for the patches to grab on to. No problem w/ about 50 dyno pulls on straight gasoline, but I pulled the intake to check for a gasket leak after a year on the street running the 90/10 gas/ethanol blend and found that three of the four repairs had come off completely. The remaining one had softened up due to the ethanol and could be folded back by hand before it finally broke off.

Gas-ahol + Epoxy = Bad JuJu... You've been warned!

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: dusterjp] #889713
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Dr. J results for an RPM on a SBC. Below 6000 there is actually a performance loss: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0802_chevy_intake_manifold_porting/dyno_results.html

Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: forphorty] #889714
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I don't know abut a larger cube smll block, I would go for a good breathing sigle plane, but t each their own....Ported my runners, cut the center divider down, matched a 1" spacer...The engine loved it.





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Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: Dragula] #889715
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Ryan @ Shady Dell Speed Shop, any advice?


Re: RPM Air Gap Porting [Re: dusterjp] #889716
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I have been useing JB weld for years in my motors with 10% to 85% ethanol and never had any come out or even soften up . Mabey yours was not cured properly or mixed wrong or the surface was not prepped properly or mabey it is just not as good as JB


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