Can any of you with the upper control arm in the stock location and no inner fender show me some pic. from under hood,thanks...Gary

I can when I get home but it's not an A body.


What is it your wanting to know or see?

here you go:

Heres one when my Valiant was in the body shop.

i decided the shock mount was interfearring with making some decent flowing headers so we moved the shock mount to the bar & cut the rest out.

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whats the pros and cons of this i have thought of doing my duster this way with the new big block but thought i would ask before i do it...i know it helps cool down air flow in compartment and stuff like that maybe clearence for headers aswell thanks sorry dont mean to hi jack just would like to know..mike

the pro's as i see it, you have room to build better flowing headers, you can access your plugs easier especially if you build good headers, on my car the front clip comes off so the front tires become a convieniant seat when working on the engine. i can't think of any cons apart front your engine will get dirty if you drive on the street in the rain.

Here's what mine looks like. A little tough to see the shock mount, but it is tied in with the front runner of the cage.

If it's a race car , ease of header install, plug change, maybe cooling, make sure you have the front cage tubes even if there welded to the firewall or your car will fold up. welding the remaining shock tower to the front tubes will add support also. If your looking for weight reduction , maybe 20 lbs., The down tubes will weigh more. It better be a race car or the value of your car will be reduced.

Just an fyi - those inner fenders do a lot to strengthen the uni-body. And they will weigh much less than the cage bars you would need to install to regain that strength...you also lose a good many of the places that bolts go into the fenders to hold them in place.

Here's my pig.
This was done for cooling, the A-body engine compartment is a hot-house otherwise. Bent bars are weaker in tension and compression. Mine isn't tied to the cage since I don't have one. Fwiw, the horizontal force in the upper control arms is F=W*A/B where W is the sprung corner weight, A is the distance from the center of the tire to the center of the lower ball joint and
B is the distance between the ball joints. Since A and B are similar the horizontal force is similar to the sprung corner weight.
Check out the high-tech cooling system. It's worked fine for at least 15 years and uses no wp housing. The bar code on the valve cover is for a Cordoba HP 400, I just couldn't paint over it. Harland Sharps hiding under the stock covers. I know, I have some clean-up to do, the engine is coming out soon.

you need to build the front so everything ties together using the engine plate and transmission midplates as crossmembers: