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Help with correct rear Wilwood kit #881384
12/16/10 12:01 AM
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I have an 8 3/4 in my 70 Charger with Moser axles with green bearings. Is this the correct kit? They say to measure the axle offset, but that's a little difficult right now.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-140-5591-B/

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitListRear.aspx?appl=&flange=Mopar/Dana&axleoffset=

Thanks!

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Charger453] #881385
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Anybody have a clue? The bearings on my axles are the snap ring green bearings. I'd measure, but the car isn't accessible. I want to take advantage of the Summit code that ends tonight.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Charger453] #881386
12/18/10 12:14 AM
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Just buy the Strange rear brake kit and be done with it.
The Wilwoods suck compare to the Strange and Wilwoods customer service is the worst. NEVER AGAIN would I buy anything from Wilwood.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit #881387
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I was just looking to match since I have Wilwoods up front ... not that it matters.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Charger453] #881388
12/18/10 12:22 AM
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I know your not gonna like this but I think your gonna ned to measure it.

According to there WEB LISTING eithr the snap or non snap ring style are available in either offset.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: WILD BILL] #881389
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The "correct" Wilwood kit is made by Mark Williams or Strange, if you get my drift.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: sg66mopar] #881390
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The "correct" Wilwood kit is made by Mark Williams or Strange, if you get my drift.




I don't get your drift, please explain? I've used Ww's and they fit and work great. Why don't you explain what's the problem with Ww's, because everyone I know that uses they likes them including me.


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Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Get-X] #881391
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The "correct" Wilwood kit is made by Mark Williams or Strange, if you get my drift.




I don't get your drift, please explain? I've used Ww's and they fit and work great. Why don't you explain what's the problem with Ww's, because everyone I know that uses they likes them including me.




Calipers didn't line up evenly on my rotors and had to makeshift spacers to make them work.
Strange brakes go right on w/o hardly any shimming at all.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit #881392
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I have Wilwoods on the front of my car and MW on the back. After working on the Wilwoods for a few years I've finally gotten them to work, more or less. Just a lot of little problems that, in my opinion, make them less than desirable.

Now that they mostly work, the biggest issue is the pads wear on a taper from top to bottom. That means the pedal starts going away because the pads push the pistons back into the caliper. I've only been getting around 75 - 100 passes before the pads need attention. My Mark Williams pads have around 200 passes now and look almost new. No taper at all.

I'm actually on my second set of Wilwoods because the first set self destructed in about 10 passes. That was back when I was only running about 130.

I ended up needing to change to a different style rotor than the ones they originally recommended. From day 1 I've had to fight to get tham bled.

Just my (and a few of my friends) experience. Lots of other people have been happy with them. They are definately cheaper.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: sg66mopar] #881393
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I have Wilwoods on the front of my car and MW on the back. After working on the Wilwoods for a few years I've finally gotten them to work, more or less. Just a lot of little problems that, in my opinion, make them less than desirable.

Now that they mostly work, the biggest issue is the pads wear on a taper from top to bottom. That means the pedal starts going away because the pads push the pistons back into the caliper. I've only been getting around 75 - 100 passes before the pads need attention. My Mark Williams pads have around 200 passes now and look almost new. No taper at all.

I'm actually on my second set of Wilwoods because the first set self destructed in about 10 passes. That was back when I was only running about 130.

I ended up needing to change to a different style rotor than the ones they originally recommended. From day 1 I've had to fight to get tham bled.

Just my (and a few of my friends) experience. Lots of other people have been happy with them. They are definately cheaper.




Fair enough, appreciate the response. Sucks that you had all of those problems. The only thing I remember having a problem with Ww's was they came with "green" pads (IIRC) and on a heavy '70 RR vert we had to go to the "brown" pads to correct a premature pad wear problem. This was years ago, so the colors might not be correct


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Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: sg66mopar] #881394
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I have Wilwoods on the front of my car and MW on the back. After working on the Wilwoods for a few years I've finally gotten them to work, more or less. Just a lot of little problems that, in my opinion, make them less than desirable.

Now that they mostly work, the biggest issue is the pads wear on a taper from top to bottom. That means the pedal starts going away because the pads push the pistons back into the caliper. I've only been getting around 75 - 100 passes before the pads need attention. My Mark Williams pads have around 200 passes now and look almost new. No taper at all.

I'm actually on my second set of Wilwoods because the first set self destructed in about 10 passes. That was back when I was only running about 130.

I ended up needing to change to a different style rotor than the ones they originally recommended. From day 1 I've had to fight to get tham bled.

Just my (and a few of my friends) experience. Lots of other people have been happy with them. They are definately cheaper.


sounds like you have a problem if they are wearing uneven. I have owned at least 5 different sets of wilwood brakes and never had a seconds problem out of any of them. I hear theae type of problems all the time and for the life of me I don't understand it

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Quicktree] #881395
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Ill go on to say probably 90% of these problems are self inflicted

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Get-X] #881396
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I'm not an authority on all Wilwood Mopar rear brakes, but unless you are running a spool, or a modified differential, the parking brake version requires a 5 hole shim (which is not mentioned in the instructions or even available from Wilwood) between the brake backing plate and housing end. If this shim isn't installed, the Green wheel bearings will be destroyed by excessive preloading of the axles on the differential thrust block.

The backing plate also doubles as a wheel bearing retainer. In order to remove the axle, the whole brake kit must also be pulled.

I get blamed all the time for "making axles too long" or "selling defective wheel bearings" because of Wilwood's design problems. Of course, when questioned, Wilwood Tech denies responsibility. Strange and Dutchman also mention the same problems with Wilwood.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: DoctorDiff] #881397
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I'm not an authority on all Wilwood Mopar rear brakes, but unless you are running a spool, or a modified differential, the parking brake version requires a 5 hole shim (which is not mentioned in the instructions or even available from Wilwood) between the brake backing plate and housing end. If this shim isn't installed, the wheel bearings will be destroyed by excessive preloading of the alxes on the differential thrust block.

The backing plate also doubles as a wheel bearing retainer. In order to remove the axle, the whole brake kit must also be pulled.

I get blamed all the time for "making axles too long" or "selling defective wheel bearings" because of Wilwood's design problems. Of course, when questioned, Wilwood Tech denies responsibility. Strange and Dutchman also mention the same problems with Wilwood.


Cass I have never seen any race cars with emegency brake versions but I do live in Florida.

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Quicktree] #881398
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The OP is asking about Wilwood Mopar kits equipped with emergency brakes.

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The OP is asking about Wilwood Mopar kits equipped with emergency brakes.


oh I see, my fault sorry

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Charger453] #881400
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BTW, all '65 and newer Mopars equipped with 5 x 4 1/2" bolt pattern use a 2.525" brake gap/offset when measured from the housing end. This is the conventional method of measuring axle flange stand-out.

If you measure from the OUTSIDE of the brake backing plate or from the snap ring on the green wheel bearing, the dimension is 2.4".

Re: Help with correct rear Wilwood kit [Re: Charger453] #881401
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This is what I use (need big ford ends though), no issues:

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdRear.aspx?itemno=140-10329







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