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Pushed Out of the Hot Pits #880914 12/15/10 03:49 PM 12/15/10 03:49 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Some did anybody here ever get pushed out of the hot pits? I had forgot about it until I watched this video. Bet is was fun turning around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiNH14YCLY

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880915 12/15/10 04:44 PM 12/15/10 04:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC chris3 mopar
chris3 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC	That is something you would have to experience. The strangest push-out hot pits I remember was the first ever race at Rockingham Dragway. "Hot Car" fuel pits were at the bottom of the track down about where the scales are now. We had a blown 392, logee (forgot how to spell it) chassis. We pushed with a 1962 chevy station wagon with a 2x12 for a front bumper. The two cars pushed out in the opposite lane from the lane you wanted. You were pushed up the track and at a point you flipped the magneto and released the clutch to fire. When you got to the front of the Rockingham tower you swung the cars out, chris-crossed and got into your lane. Boy does that bring back memories. A big draw-back to this was that in those days, believe it or not Dragsters open trailer towed and most funny cars were on open slant-back car haulers. The pick-up trucks, most of the time, backed up to the fence and a driver's family and friends would be in the bed of the truck. I remember, possibly the second race at Rockingham, a good friend over in Greensboro, Allen Starr, "Starliner" his car broke apart at about half track. The engine rolled down the track and ended up right at the back of his truck in front of his family.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880916 12/15/10 04:49 PM 12/15/10 04:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Mr.Yuck] #880917 12/15/10 05:09 PM 12/15/10 05:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA	Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880918 12/15/10 06:41 PM 12/15/10 06:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC chris3 mopar
chris3 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC	Push starts ended in about 1975. Remember the rollers to start the car? Website "wediditforlove" you can see some push trucks and cars with wood bumper.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880919 12/15/10 07:05 PM 12/15/10 07:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca G G_bob master
G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	Quote: Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter Seems I read that a mag re-created that race a while back. The 413 worked the vette...

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880920 12/15/10 08:04 PM 12/15/10 08:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Cab,,we older gentlemen should set an example for the young,,,,DON'T use the word "DUDE" If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880921 12/15/10 08:04 PM 12/15/10 08:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter Done that - been there - with Atlas Bucrons. Fastest 300

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880922 12/15/10 08:09 PM 12/15/10 08:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN	Man that brings back memories. I grew up 2 miles from Detroit drag way. This was back before they moved the Fall Nationals from Detroit to Indianapolis. School started right after Labor Day and the Nats would start the following week. We would skip school every day during the Nats and spend the day at Detroit Drag Way. This was in 60, 61, 62 and 63. None of us had any money so everyday we would crawl under the fence behind the hill. There were no stands at Detroit back then, just a pile of dirt stretching from the starting line to about the eighth mile on the spectator side. Those were the days!

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880923 12/15/10 08:27 PM 12/15/10 08:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,872 CheddarHead till October weedlayer master
weedlayer master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,872 CheddarHead till October	Quote: Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter I was there and don't really care what your opinion of that situation is, I always thought you were a pretty smart guy, but now think you are about as smart as prostock and diego.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Dabee] #880924 12/15/10 08:35 PM 12/15/10 08:35 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Man that brings back memories. I grew up 2 miles from Detroit drag way. This was back before they moved the Fall Nationals from Detroit to Indianapolis. School started right after Labor Day and the Nats would start the following week. We would skip school every day during the Nats and spend the day at Detroit Drag Way. This was in 60, 61, 62 and 63. None of us had any money so everyday we would crawl under the fence behind the hill. There were no stands at Detroit back then, just a pile of dirt stretching from the starting line to about the eighth mile on the spectator side. Those were the days! I suppose you have this video of the Detroit Nationals. A little long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqCm7YO2GOI

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880925 12/15/10 11:56 PM 12/15/10 11:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC chris3 mopar
chris3 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC	Boy, I didn't get to watch the video this afternoon before I did my post about push outs. While I was watching I thought of what my son, Hemiparts, says when he looks at these old cars. "I don't know how ya'll are still alive." Look at the video again and look at the open frame slingshot with the Hemi and the 5'-0" long clutch handle with the "8" ball on top of it. Look at the frame and think about sliding down in there with your feet on either side of the coupler and your, well personallity, stradled down on top of that old oldsmobile shortened rear end. And don't look for no nice padded cockpit area. Hate to use the phrase but those were the days. What I would give to go down the 1/4 mile again in one of those cars.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880926 12/16/10 12:36 AM 12/16/10 12:36 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN	Quote: I suppose you have this video of the Detroit Nationals. A little long. Wow that was great! Thanks

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Dabee] #880927 12/16/10 02:31 AM 12/16/10 02:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama M Monte_Smith master
Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Some tracks, like INDY, were state of the art. That is why the lanes at INDY are long, right behind the starting line, for the old push starts. Beech Bend, had "roller starters" buried in the ground, under the bridge. A guy sat in a pit and operated the SBC, that drove the rollers. It was cool to stand on the bridge, watch the cars fire and get a big dose of nitro fumes. Other tracks, would push to the finish line, turn the cars around, push back, fire then at the tree and turn them around again. And even after they became self starting, TF cars still did not have reversers for several years and you had a gang out there to push the car back after a burnout. That was pretty cool. Monte

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Monte_Smith] #880928 12/16/10 02:59 AM 12/16/10 02:59 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Martin 131 drag way [ Michigan] called it the wire wheel area, the dragsters were pushed out at the top end side by side pushed down toward the tower and fired ,exited of just before the tower looped around back and were at the burn out area. I do recall there weren't many that didn't fire. It did give spectators some thing else to watch. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: rowin4] #880929 12/16/10 08:33 AM 12/16/10 08:33 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Pittsburgh International Dragway hot pits.Sitting on the lane next to the strip watching a red light on a pole,then the green light and the anouncment"bring it in on the fire-up road" [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: chris3] #880930 12/16/10 09:21 AM 12/16/10 09:21 AM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 729 Lebanon,IN M mr2performance super stock
mr2performance super stock M Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 729 Lebanon,IN	Quote: Push starts ended in about 1975. Remember the rollers to start the car? I'm actually restoring the very first set of roller starters right now. I'll try to post up some pics of them later. They were buried in mud for the last 20 years! Mike MR2PERFORMANCE RACE CARS 765 483 9371

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: G_bob] #880931 12/16/10 09:23 AM 12/16/10 09:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Quote: Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter Seems I read that a mag re-created that race a while back. The 413 worked the vette... didn't have to be around to understand that a factory race car w/ 420hp (from the factory), not to mention the torque advantage could beat a 360hp (if that) HP corvette. I think there's an actual race on youtube I might look for later.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Mr.Yuck] #880932 12/16/10 09:47 AM 12/16/10 09:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV F Frito top fuel
Frito top fuel F Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV	National Trails had rollers in the pits but the cars were pushed down the narrow road beside the track from the 1000 foot area toward the starting line for runs. This area was used by Nitro Joe to line up the Hemi cars at the Sportnats this year!!

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880933 12/16/10 10:15 AM 12/16/10 10:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Quote: cool video, hate the 1st song...not a chance a FI vette could touch the 413..anyway cool. Dude, if you weren't there how would you know? Do you know what the numbers 7.00x14 mean? How about Atlas Bucrons? Tires sizes that where stock from the factory back then, not sticky at all. The 1962 327 F.I. Corvettes could hook a lot better on the streets than the 413 Dodge and Plymouth could. I hate to admit that but it is true, especailly on the stick shift Mopars of that day back then. Once the cars had slicks on them at the tracks it was a all together different matter P.S. "My stingray is light, my slicks are starting to spin but the 413's really digging in...."

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Mr.Yuck] #880934 12/17/10 06:29 AM 12/17/10 06:29 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 49 mogadore ohio 44260 R racingblues1426 member
racingblues1426 member R Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 49 mogadore ohio 44260	the magazine pitted a 327 300 hp vette against the 413. Guess they couldn't find a 63 fi vette or didn't look very hard. Find an old national dragster magazine from 1963. The nat records were posted just like todays. The A/SP record (held by a 63 vette is faster than the A/S record that was not held by a 413 dodge or ply.Saw all of these cars run, nothing at the time could beat a vette on the street or strip at that time. All cars ran recapped casler slicks at the drags. The auto cars were slower in every class during this time period. Not enough was known about torque converters to make the automatic work. Just my 3 cents worth. Merry Christmas to everyone.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: racingblues1426] #880935 12/17/10 01:53 PM 12/17/10 01:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,532 off the grid 340B5 pro stock
340B5 pro stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,532 off the grid	chris3...Crizilla.. racing blues; I sincerely envy you guys for having been there. I see drag racing dying a slow death nowadays and wish something could be done about it. Last edited by 340B5; 12/17/10 02:07 PM.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: 340B5] #880936 12/17/10 02:21 PM 12/17/10 02:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC chris3 mopar
chris3 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC	340B5, my son "hemiparts" has made a comment several times that it is a shame that someone could not assemble all of the stories he has heard from those days into a book or something. He hears the stories all the time when, my remaining brothers and I get together, but he also hears all the stories from old friends and racers that he meets at reunions and such. When he had the opportunity to drive the Motown Missile car against Hemifred he commented that unless someone preserves the cars and the stories they will eventually all be gone. When you get guys like Stewart P, Tom Hoover, Hubert Platt talking, the history of Drag Racing is in the recollection of those days. On Saturday night in Henderson, NC I looked through some photographs of the old missle cars on Stewart's lap top and as we were talking at our table, Bo Laws (side note Stewart pointed out who Bo was since I had not seen him in 35 years, old Modified Production days, did not recognize him)and a group were telling old stories and another table, Fred Bear, Dave Hale and other members of the S&S Racing Team (Gassers) were at another table telling stories. Chris "Hemiparts" called me last night and asked if I realize that 2011 will be the 40th Anniversary of IHRA and that they have a contact on their site wanting names, pictures and stories from the beginning of IHRA. If you are interested in the History of Drag Racing go to East Coast Drag Times Hall of Fame 1 & 2 on You Tube and look at 2010 reunion. Turn the volume up when you get to the hemi in Billy Lynch's dragster.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: chris3] #880937 12/17/10 04:02 PM 12/17/10 04:02 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA	I remember sitting in the pit side granstands at Fonatana Drag city in the summer of 1965 on a saturady evening watching top fuel cars qualify and race. Hot car staging and pits where at the far end of the pits, they would push start the cars on a narrow paved road to the starting line in front of the stands. The drivers would put the clutch in , let the push car get up to speed and then let the clutch out, as soon as the motor got oil pressure they would turn the mag and fuel on and let the motor start and run a short distance before psuhing the clutch in and rev the motor to clean it out. One night a lady was standing by the fence hanging over the fence by the starting line watching the fuelers push down and circle around to stage and race, the push road was probally less than 15 ft. wide where it went by her. One of the drivers wack the throttle right in her face and she passed out falling on the ground They ran those motor really fat so I don't know if it was the fumes, noise or sudden scare, but down on her butt she went, priceless I had to drive around a hundred miles to get there, gas was 23 cents a gallon and a new 1964 Dodge 330 with a street 426 4 speed costs $2764.00 out the door, I should have bought four of them but I couldn't I was working for the local phone company as a apprentice lineman making $1.76 a hour The California Minimumum wage was $1.00 an hour back then Last edited by Cab_Burge; 12/17/10 04:19 PM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: chris3] #880938 12/17/10 04:06 PM 12/17/10 04:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,532 off the grid 340B5 pro stock
340B5 pro stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,532 off the grid	I'll definately do that, and it's about time for another visit to "We did it for love" too. I remember one story of a drag racer that had a wheel bearing problem on his open trailer and showed up for a drag race w/a pair of vice grips holding the wheel bearing on. Yeah, it's got a smallblock.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Cab_Burge] #880939 12/17/10 04:51 PM 12/17/10 04:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC chris3 mopar
chris3 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 622 NC	Cab, now that's funny. See how many of these types of stories are out there. Would you get that close to a fueler now days. I'm getting old, you just reminded me of a step in start-up. Forgot to get the oil pressure up. And you remember, we had those "aluminum foil" suits with the hood and those airplane goggles. When the car fired you had all that fuel, remember there were not electrical pumps mechanical drive off the crankshaft, would blow out the headers and back in your face. Boy, what memories. The irony of this post is I am negotiating on a Junior dragster for my 11 year old grandson (third generation) you should have seen the look on his grandmother's face last Sunday afternoon when went to look at the the car and he climbed up and slid down in between those rails like a pro.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880940 12/17/10 05:39 PM 12/17/10 05:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	One of my last passes at that track - summer 68. 6362981-lastpass.jpg (45 downloads) Fastest 300

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: chris3] #880941 12/17/10 06:05 PM 12/17/10 06:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,031 Raleigh N.C H hemiparts "Missile Pilot"
hemiparts "Missile Pilot" H Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,031 Raleigh N.C	And I'll say it again, YOU"RE LUCKY YA"LL AIN"T DEAD !!!! I look @ you guys running Fuel in a chassis that looks like you guys robbed a plumbing supply yard to build. Sitting on top of rear diffs with no sort of shield. I have to wear more saftey gear in my Super Stocker than you guys wore racing fuel dragsters. I look pictures of Chris3 and all those guys from back in the day racing in t-shirts and polyester bell bottoms ( oh yes i know where i can find some pics of Chris3 @ Rockingham abut the time ya'll are discussing ) and even Dick Landy snatching gears with a foot long stogey hanging out of his mouth. I do wish that someone would set down and record as many of these old stories as possible for the generations to come. We have already lost so many of the legends and the stories that they took with them that will never be told again, these are wonderful stories of times when pro drivers travled on open trailers, sleeping in the trucks and racing 6 nights a week in 5 diffrent states. The sport has evolved so much that if theses stories aren't saved by time my son gets old enough to enjoy them they'll be long gone. Chris 6363020-RACECARS131.jpg (35 downloads)

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: hemiparts] #880942 12/17/10 06:10 PM 12/17/10 06:10 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: And I'll say it again, YOU"RE LUCKY YA"LL AIN"T DEAD !!!! I look @ you guys running Fuel in a chassis that looks like you guys robbed a plumbing supply yard to build. Sitting on top of rear diffs with no sort of shield. I have to wear more saftey gear in my Super Stocker than you guys wore racing fuel dragsters. I look pictures of Chris3 and all those guys from back in the day racing in t-shirts and polyester bell bottoms ( oh yes i know where i can find some pics of Chris3 @ Rockingham abut the time ya'll are discussing ) and even Dick Landy snatching gears with a foot long stogey hanging out of his mouth. I do wish that someone would set down and record as many of these old stories as possible for the generations to come. We have already lost so many of the legends and the stories that they took with them that will never be told again, these are wonderful stories of times when pro drivers travled on open trailers, sleeping in the trucks and racing 6 nights a week in 5 diffrent states. The sport has evolved so much that if theses stories aren't saved by time my son gets old enough to enjoy them they'll be long gone. Chris Looks pretty safe to me. They don't have any guardrails to hit.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: ] #880943 12/17/10 06:27 PM 12/17/10 06:27 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I swear if I find a deal on a Front engine dragster project I am going to build one! Go to six week ends a year--get my thrills and go home--no more bracket BS and no more every Sat at the track all year long ( did it for 15 years) have a GOOD wife now and want to do other stuff-- but make it FUN again! I may be crazy but I really do plan on getting one!

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: chris3] #880944 12/18/10 12:29 AM 12/18/10 12:29 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Went back through my pictures I took with my Mom's Instamatic. I'm suprised they even turned out. Here is the only one that shows a dragster out of the hot pits in the background being pushed towards the starting line. I'm sure it would have already fired off as it is getting close to the starting line. Love the clothes, dress pants and button shirts. The blue jeans and t-shirts must be in the pits.

Re: Pushed Out of the Hot Pits [Re: Monte_Smith] #880945 12/18/10 12:39 AM 12/18/10 12:39 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Some tracks, like INDY, were state of the art. That is why the lanes at INDY are long, right behind the starting line, for the old push starts. Beech Bend, had "roller starters" buried in the ground, under the bridge. A guy sat in a pit and operated the SBC, that drove the rollers. It was cool to stand on the bridge, watch the cars fire and get a big dose of nitro fumes. Other tracks, would push to the finish line, turn the cars around, push back, fire then at the tree and turn them around again. And even after they became self starting, TF cars still did not have reversers for several years and you had a gang out there to push the car back after a burnout. That was pretty cool. Monte You mean sort of like this.... A little better camera this time compliments of a shopping trip to Nam. He could bring the crowd to their feet.

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