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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: FASTFISH420]
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12/16/10 09:08 PM
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There's nothing cost effective about any of this stuff.... 
I agree 100%. Just looking for the "most" cost effective way to get there from where I'm at. 
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: FASTFISH420]
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12/17/10 01:22 PM
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When I was in Super Stock pulling, the oil burners ruled and a few who were into the alch scene was making up ground quickly and soon took over the classes, many running 2-3 big T-18s in series, with alot more comp then mentioned here, maybe using the HD diesel setup allowed this. Now 2/3 of the class is alch based and making alot of power If I remember correctly its bad as heck seeing part of the ex manifold glowing red and part of the intake looking iced up... If any of it equates over to drag racing it might be worth the grief 
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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12/17/10 01:26 PM
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If fuel cost is not a concern, stick with gas. If alky picks up a combo with a carb, 3 to 4 tenths, the set up was not even close to right.
Monte
exactly 
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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12/17/10 04:31 PM
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If fuel cost is not a concern, stick with gas. If alky picks up a combo with a carb, 3 to 4 tenths, the set up was not even close to right.
Monte
I agree with the above statement, but there are still advantages to going alky for those that run in alot of heat and it will be more consistant from round to round when there is limited cool down time.
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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12/18/10 01:51 AM
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If fuel cost is not a concern, stick with gas. If alky picks up a combo with a carb, 3 to 4 tenths, the set up was not even close to right.
Monte
I agree with the above statement, but there are still advantages to going alky for those that run in alot of heat and it will be more consistant from round to round when there is limited cool down time.
Not really. A gas car can run just as cool as an alky car, most just don't do it. We don't even run a radiator in our drag radial car. We tow to the lanes, fire the car at 100*, burnout and pass, the car is 120-130 at the stripe. Now if a car with no radiator or water pump, only makes 20* on a run, you know one with a cooling system can. If you run the car at the same temp every run, it WILL be consistent, does not matter if that temp is 100 or 200. If you don't let it make a lot of heat during the run, a chiller will have it back to ice cold in a matter of minutes.
I personally would rather have the gas and the chiller any day, as fool with the aggravation of the alky, but thats just me.
Now I realize you don't want to tow a bracket car to and from the lanes, but you don't have to either. If you chill it and drive it to the lanes, it won't get hot and a proper cooling system will have it cooling down, while driving back
Monte
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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12/18/10 10:50 AM
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If fuel cost is not a concern, stick with gas. If alky picks up a combo with a carb, 3 to 4 tenths, the set up was not even close to right.
Monte
Not trying to argue Monte but most people do pick up a few tenths with it and it is hard for me to believe all these folks cant tune a carb for gas including carb builders.Just saying
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: poisondart2]
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12/18/10 12:24 PM
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I personally would rather have the gas and the chiller any day, as fool with the aggravation of the alky, but thats just me.
Monte I know of your dislike for alky and that is fine but please tell me what aggravations you speak of??
I have run both fuels and will tell you from a "bracket" racer standpoint alky is hard to beat. When I ran gas in my TS car it was 2-3 times the work, tow up, tow back, extra cooling and charging of both the car and golf cart, etc.
I have been called back for a final round before I even got out of my car after a semi  . Put alky in a drive back up for the final. That ain't gonna happen on gas...
I feel there is a lot of bad info flying around the www about alky that is just not true. Like extra maintenance required?? Nothing extra for me, leave fuel system full and change oil 25-30 passes, same as gas.
The ONLY real difference I've ever seen is hard starting when it is really cold, once or twice a year around here. And a squirt of gasoline thru the carb usually solves the problem for initial fire up.
As for the chiller, that is also a lot of work. I ran one on my prostock snowmobile. Bilge pump mounted in cooler full of ice water with hydraulic quick disconnects. Is that what you use??
Gains alky vs. gas not sure who you were referring to but I did give some real world examples.
On MOST combos carb vs. carb will net .1-.2.
Carb vs. Injection as much as .3.
That is a nice gain for sure but I'll stick with my Rupert dominator for it's consistancy and fuel consumption. Won the first night out with it also!! 
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: MegaDart]
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12/18/10 01:21 PM
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At most of the big $$$ bracket races there's enought cars at the start you have time to cool your engine,but toward the end(which is late at night)you do good to get some fuel & most of the time have to gauge your tires in the stageing lanes. With the alcohol starting before 12:00 AM & finshing after 12:00 PM the car seems to repeat the numbers better. The only thing I see anyone needing to do when switching over to alcohol is buy your FI or Carb. from someone who knows what they are doing. They can get you close enought at the start that you can fine tune it yourself,alone with the GREAT HELP from the fellow Racers here on Moparts. 
"To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man"
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Re: Going to alky.....how much difference?
[Re: MegaDart]
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12/18/10 01:30 PM
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I have run both fuels and will tell you from a "bracket" racer standpoint alky is hard to beat.
I agree. When done properly, it is great for bracket racing, and saves money.
This is my fuel cost comparison for a typical 5 passes down the 1/4 mile plus warm up time/fuel.
This is driving to/from the pits, which is a long distance at my local track, and my 511 drinks some fuel, and a smaller motor should use less.
110 Gas: (5 passes x 0.7 gal/pass + 0.5 warmup) x $7.75/gallon = $31
Methanol:(5 passes x 1.5 gal/pass + 1.0 warmup) x $2.70/gallon = $23
Pump E85:(5 passes x 1.0 gal/pass + 0.5 warmup) x $2.55/gallon = $14
My comparison was with $7.75/gal 110 octane gasoline. I hate to see what it would cost to run 150-300 passes a year on $12 extra high octane race gasoline.
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about E85 me-self ... LOTS of good reports I have heard ...and some BIG POWER increases possible.
