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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 10:44 PM
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In Nevada, I only speak for what I know if you are competing for money it IS a business period! Car show, race, rodeo whatever...I have personal experiece with the issue.
Well I suppose the option to tell the truth is yours. Secondly I think if they see a racecar in or on a trailer they assume you are not just showing your car the sights. If you get pulled over you will feel a bit like you have had a full cavity search in prison. Everyting you say is a lie and everytrhing they say is gospel. Dont ask me how I know...
You cannot even get a straight answer when you call to inquire about the laws in given states. EVERY time I have called any state in regards to towing with my coach into thier state once they hear it is a motorhome they say I am not required to do anything. Dont help on the side of the road with the DOT guys but that is what they will tell you.
BTW in my opinion there is no right answer to any of this.
Oh yeah, I can almost guarantee the reason Chris's buddy got pulled over in the first place was the out of state tag. The law her eis pretty clear you have to have the equivalent of the California Class B non commercial license to drive any motorhome/toter over 45' in length or any combo over 65'. Easy pickens as AZ or NV dont have the same licensure.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 10:45 PM
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dont plaster your car with stickers and then it is just a show car.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 10:50 PM
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Aint gonna matter. They will give you the ticket and it will be up to you to prove otherwise. Been there done that...That is my entire point. They target out of state plates knowing 99% of the time they will be collecting the fine. To costly to fight easy money.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/12/10 11:00 PM
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In Nevada, I only speak for what I know if you are competing for money it IS a business period! Car show, race, rodeo whatever...I have personal experiece with the issue.
 So shouldn't most of the people visiting the casinos in Las Vegas for gambling be considered "for profit" businesses? "Poker" is a form of competition! I wonder how the cops/judges would explain that.
"dont plaster your car with stickers and then it is just a show car."
When is the last time you heard of a race car plastered with decals and advertising on an open trailer get stopped by the DOT? While it may have happened, I'm sure it would be a pretty big difference in numbers.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 11:01 PM
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I guess it is a good thing I go no further than Ga to race.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 11:17 PM
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There's a ton of misinformation in this thread. For one thing, "Not for Hire" don't mean squat on the side of your rig. It just makes you look stupid.
My tank trucks at work that I operate are"not for hire" But yet they are hauling hazmat products everyday and are subject to all the rules. Been operating a small fleet of tanker and hazmat flatbeds(14) since 1984.
The length thing in a few states is nothing new. It was a big story on the NHRA tour like 10 years ago.
Your buddy got hasseled because he stood out. Broke down on the side of the road get's there attention.
I hope he didn't have decals on the outside of his MH stating 29000lbs, because that would make him commercial.
I don't believe you need a CDL license in California for a motorhome over 26000 lbs.
What's your buddys motorhome look like?
Also what is a "class B non com license"?
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/12/10 11:59 PM
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Here you go..It is a Cali thing. here it is from thier site. It cannot be more confusing trust me. My coach is UNDER 40' but if the combined length of the coach and trailer is over 65 you need the Class B. That is until you go the the DMV office and ask, then you get the dear in the headlights look....However when you follow the links and read the book from the CA DMV you are not required to have a class B on a coach under 40', states nothing about o/a length if your coach is under 40'  BTW as part of the skills test if you have a coach equipped with air brakes you are NOT required to pass the air brake system test  Some states make it very difficult to be a law abiding citizen.
Over-Length Motorhome: An over-length motorhome is a single-unit motorhome that is longer than 40 feet but not more than 45 feet. (Note: A vehicle combination, e.g. a motorhome towing a vehicle or trailer, may be up to 65 feet length. If the single-unit motorhome is 40 feet or less in length, the combination is not subject to the over-length motorhome restrictions.)
Motorhome: A motorhome is a noncommercial passenger vehicle defined in the California Vehicle Code (CVC) Section 465 as a "house car" and commonly referred to as a recreation vehicle. CVC 362 defines "house car" as "a motor vehicle originally designed, or permanently altered, and equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached." A motorhome should not to be confused with a bus (CVC 233) or a tour bus (CVC 612), also called "motorcoach," which is used for commercial passenger transportation and requires a commercial driver license to operate. See also Public Utilities Code 5360-5379.5 and 226.
BACKGROUND
The basic California length law for vehicles is 40 feet unless specifically exempted. On October 9, 2001, Governor Davis signed Assembly Bill (AB) 67 which changed the California Vehicle Code (CVC) to allow motorhomes over 40 feet in length, up to 45 feet, on certain routes. Over-length motorhomes are allowed on interstates and on those State routes that can accommodate them.
A Noncommercial Class B license and endorsement is required if you operate:
•A housecar over 40 feet but not over 45 feet.
Exemptions: Holders of a commercial Class A or B license, a noncommercial Class A license, and all fire fighter license classes
DRIVER LICENSE REQUIREMENTS
The CVC requires a motorhome endorsement on a noncommercial class B driver license issued by the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). The pertinent CVC sections are copied below under "Legal History."
Application: Click on this DMV website for commercial vehicle licensing and scroll down to these three topics: "How to apply for a noncommercial driver license," "Requirements for a Noncommercial Class B driver permit," and "Requirements for a Noncommercial Class B driver license." The driver must pass a written and skills examination (i.e. a driving test), submit a specified medical form, and pay a $34 fee. You may use the on-line DMV booklet Recreational Vehicles & Trailers (DL-648) to prepare for the exam. The booklet may also be available at the local DMV field offices that test motorhomes. To set up an appointment, or locate a booklet, you may call DMV at 1-800-777-0133.
The medical exam must be repeated every two years. The license is valid for approximately five years.
Out-of-State Drivers: Non-residents visiting California may not operate an over-length motorhome unless in possession of an out-of-state driver license authorizing the operation of that vehicle. See CVC Section 12804.15(b)(2) which is also copied below under "Legal History."
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/13/10 06:53 AM
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There's a ton of misinformation in this thread. For one thing, "Not for Hire" don't mean squat on the side of your rig. It just makes you look stupid.
 , Thats funny, but it actually makes my life easier by sorting out the wannabes.
Looking stupid or not, a few years ago I picked up a new rollback wrecker for a friends towing service; I drove to Wisconsin and put my Intrepid on the back for the return trip. I was pulled to the back at TWO different weigh stations - once in Ohio, once in Mi - both times for no Commercial lettering. I was told the only thing that saved me from a ticket was the car on the bed was registered to me - otherwise the wrecker (because of the GVW) needed either commercial lettering or a "Not for Hire" (or a non-commercial designation) on both sides. In Mi, all commercial vehicles need to be lettered, whether it is enforced or not. This summer they cracked down on all the new "lawn services" that sprung up around here _- two guys, a beat up truck, and an open trailer with mowers, etc. - no ID on doors got ticketed for not being ID'ed as commercial. Yeah, even the Pizza Geeks sign on the top of the car has to be there, because the car is being used as commercial.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/13/10 08:09 AM
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There's a ton of misinformation in this thread. For one thing, "Not for Hire" don't mean squat on the side of your rig. It just makes you look stupid.
My tank trucks at work that I operate are"not for hire" But yet they are hauling hazmat products everyday and are subject to all the rules. Been operating a small fleet of tanker and hazmat flatbeds(14) since 1984.
The length thing in a few states is nothing new. It was a big story on the NHRA tour like 10 years ago.
Your buddy got hasseled because he stood out. Broke down on the side of the road get's there attention.
I hope he didn't have decals on the outside of his MH stating 29000lbs, because that would make him commercial.
I don't believe you need a CDL license in California for a motorhome over 26000 lbs.
What's your buddys motorhome look like?
Also what is a "class B non com license"?
Motorhome is a Diesel Pusher, air brakes, big Cat or Cummins in it. I think It's 38'.. Very nice coach. The one tire blew and took out the other..
Trailer is 30' stacker.. I'm sure you can add that up. 
The CHP looked at the tag on the coach to see the 29000#..
Their Legalizing of Pot in CA. didn't pass, so they really need cash now... 
Al.. Now we're really confused.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/13/10 02:10 PM
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Go here http://www.dmvnv.com/mchome.htmlIn Nevada the permits are required for anything over 10,001 lbs that THEY deem commercial. Race cars are deemed commercial as far as the DOT and troopers are concerned. There is a list of vendors you can get them from on the site.
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12/13/10 03:01 PM
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Most times it up to the disgression of the officer.Since my runin with the state police I have done everything necessary for PENDOT.Daully is plated class-8 combo(23600#) trailer is inspected twice a year,carry my medical card and have CDL licence.I even pull in the scales when there open,they just wave me through.  On a footnote,last year while entering a toll plaza on Route 66 we were all pulled over and checked for licence,inspections,trailer hookups,tires,lights and brake-a-way switches.Many had to drop their trailers untill all saftey related repairs were made.There has been a hightened awareness and crack down on towing since there has been multipal deaths resulting from improper trailer hookups that came loose.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/13/10 08:09 PM
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Well, this whole thing has me really confused. If I have to get a CDL to drive a motorhome but I don't have a vehicle for the test, exactly what am I suppose to do? Not everbody owns a commercial truck to use for the test.
Al, you said you've been there with the state of Nevada. How do you go about paying the fees so you don't get a ticket?
I'm thinking I don't want to risk going to Nevada for MATS, the Division race in Fallon or any of the Division races or National events at The Strip. 
Just Borrow a trailer and a pickup with a GVWR of over 10,001# and take the class B test. It is $50.00 in AZ. Not sure about Oregon.
The DMV may tell you that you don't need one, but tell that to the trooper writing you the ticket..
It's funny, because I'm sure if you got pulled over with the license, the officer would tell you that you didn't need one anyway.. It's a no win situation here.
BTW.. The Class B or any other CDL license doesn't exempt you from length..
Chris..
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/13/10 09:23 PM
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We have some rules like this in Florida too. We have a lenght rule. If you are over 65' in lenght you need a permit. Albeit a permit is not expensive and they are annual permits, you still need if if you exceed 65'. I think I read the fine was pretty steep too if you are over lenght without a permit if you're caught.
I've never needed a permit for my length 
shorties usually dont
Well I guess you never needed a permit either
kinda funny you know about my length when i never metioned anything about it. 
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12/14/10 01:00 AM
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I've never needed a permit for my length
shorties usually dont
Well I guess you never needed a permit either
kinda funny you know about my length when i never metioned anything about it.
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