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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/10/10 11:16 PM
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I got a ticket in Kalifornika last year for over length and not having a CDL, the rig I drive is 89'.  The cop told me he had just come from cop schooling on this sort of thing.  He was going to cite me for the bridge law also because it did not have a fifth wheel until I showed him and explained to him what a Binkley mini-fifth wheel was all about.  He made me help him measure it anyway.  Since I was heading out of state he called back to dispatch and talked with the officer on duty explaining how big I was and how they could tow me.  They finally decided to let me finish the drive and don't ever come back!  Tickets cost $295.00.... I only got ticketed because of the lack of a CDL and the rig was licensed as a motorhome. He said if I had the proper apportioned plate I could be any length I want.  That is the biggest issue, why can't states get together and set a standard? In PA it is 85', most states it is 75', and a few don't care. Most require permits. Florida has never stopped me but sure has looked hard at me a few times.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/11/10 12:03 AM
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It's simple, really...
They're going to force us back to towing an open car trailer with a pickup or van.   
That is all I have! LOL Budget racer here...
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: ro23car]
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12/11/10 12:23 AM
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We have some rules like this in Florida too. We have a lenght rule. If you are over 65' in lenght you need a permit. Albeit a permit is not expensive and they are annual permits, you still need if if you exceed 65'. I think I read the fine was pretty steep too if you are over lenght without a permit if you're caught.
I've never needed a permit for my length
shorties usually dont
Well I guess you never needed a permit either
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: 440Jim]
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12/11/10 01:04 AM
12/11/10 01:04 AM
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It's simple, really...
They're going to force us back to towing an open car trailer with a pickup or van.
That is all I have! LOL Budget racer here...
Don't get too excited.. THEY are after you next.. California already has some weird laws about flatbed trailers.
Other States will follow the leader..
They have one that says something about any 3 axle trailer over 6000lbs gvw must have a Class B and any trailer over 10,000 gvw's the same thing..
It's coming.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/11/10 01:05 AM
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25.00 dollar over length permit in Florida will save you 1,000.00.BS law has been in Florida for some time now.
very true but I have never seen a racer get hassled or a ticket because of it.
2 years ago some class racers going to the gators from up north caught some flack,depends who and what stops you...
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/11/10 01:08 AM
12/11/10 01:08 AM
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Well, if you have a Motorhome or long rig you need to be aware of what's coming down in the now and future.
Since the States are broke, they need revenue. Tickets are revenue. I know there has been several posts on this, including the one last year by BGR.
But, I now know a good friend who got a very large ticket coming home from Pomona. 
It was for over length in a Motorhome/Trailer combo. It's 65' in CA. His Combo is over 70'..
CHP said SHE got 3 others for the same thing on her shift..
So you say MH's are exempt?? Not in California any more.. He also got a "NO CDL" ticket too.. Why?? Because the MH has a GVW of 29,000 on the door.. Anything over 25,999 must have a CDL in CA. Over $450.00 so far, and now has to go to court in Indio or Blythe CA. and get legal with a CDL..
You will have to go to Needles..
Though Needles is an isolated cowtown, the judge in traffic court is actually pretty reasonable..
Before one panics, think through each violation and be prepared to rationalize with the judge explaining you didn't know all the nitty gritty stuff..
I got a speeding ticket on Interstate 40 doing about 100 MPH @ 11:00PM and was clocked by radar..
When I went to court, the judge cut it down to 80MPH in a 70 zone. And gave me traffic school even though I had traffic school 2 months prior...
Cost me $85 and no points..
Just my $0.02.. 
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/11/10 01:40 AM
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ill has same rules they havent been enforced as yet what i see is guy with there 40 ft trailers crew cabs with b truck plates no inspection on truck or trailer, drivers with no cdl too long of combos we do it to ourself and if that truck and trailer is ran as a buisness,, aka R & M racing ,, ifta stickers all kinda vehicule rule then apply that you are not thinking about fuel stickers are needed for out of state use or travel  
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: dennismopar73]
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12/11/10 01:55 AM
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ill has same rules
they havent been enforced as yet
what i see is guy with there 40 ft trailers
crew cabs with b truck plates
no inspection on truck or trailer,
drivers with no cdl
too long of combos
we do it to ourself and if that truck and trailer is ran as a buisness,, aka R & M racing
,, ifta stickers all kinda vehicule rule then apply that you are not thinking about
fuel stickers are needed for out of state use or
travel
And they are all driving 55mph
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/11/10 02:57 AM
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there's very few of us that have to be concened about the length issues. However the last lengthy thread about towing was based upon the clarification of when is the term "commercial" really apply to the average racer . should you have a CDL or not if not exempted by towing with a motorhome but a dualie etc.. That we should all be aware of and how to deal with it.The chances of that being a reason to have the troopers or locals write you are much greater. there is a provions written in federal CDL,laws to protect us. after that thread I carry a copy in the glovebox. techniaclly unless they can do tax return on the spot they can't write you up Quote:
Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the ‘‘occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise’’ apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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12/11/10 12:11 PM
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Quicktree
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this is just a question i kept thinking of as i was reading this post...
if you are leagal in the state you are registered in, what difference are the laws of a state your passing through?
Michigan you are not required to have a front license plate, BUT you are in Ohio, so that doesnt mean everytime someone runs down to toledo they have to put on a front license plate to be legal with ohio laws.
i know that example seems pretty out there and has nothing to do with CDL and lengths and all that are being discussed here, but its an example of what i'm trying to ask.
I think thats a great point, if you are legal in your home state you should be able to go anywhere imo. no way to know the rules for every state you don't live there so it shouldn't matter.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/11/10 12:32 PM
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this is just a question i kept thinking of as i was reading this post...
if you are leagal in the state you are registered in, what difference are the laws of a state your passing through?
Michigan you are not required to have a front license plate, BUT you are in Ohio, so that doesnt mean everytime someone runs down to toledo they have to put on a front license plate to be legal with ohio laws.
i know that example seems pretty out there and has nothing to do with CDL and lengths and all that are being discussed here, but its an example of what i'm trying to ask.
I think thats a great point, if you are legal in your home state you should be able to go anywhere imo. no way to know the rules for every state you don't live there so it shouldn't matter.
Thats my problem with some of the other states...
here in Mich we have a permanent plate on the trailer
and it doesnt have a weight but all the guys keep
talking about a weight on the plate(maybe its a
letter code) for the trailer and a plate on the truck
with a similar weight/code for the whole rig....
we dont play that in Mich
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/11/10 05:45 PM
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if you are legal in the state you are registered in, what difference are the laws of a state your passing through?
I think thats a great point, if you are legal in your home state you should be able to go anywhere imo. no way to know the rules for every state you don't live there so it shouldn't matter.
That's kinda what I was getting at when I said the feds should set the minimum interstate rules. I hate the thought of SOME states setting standards that will apply when driving in mine. That's not all that different from the Mexican Truck debate. Some states have VERY low standards and very corrupt legal systems.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/11/10 11:50 PM
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ok guys ,, these are not some kinda "new law" that just crept up these laws have been on the books for years the reason you see it being ticketed is because there is more of us out here going to and from races with our big rigs 48 ft goose necks, crew cab ,,to toterhomes with double stackers , trying to get by on the lowest dollar,, now you want to say its wrong you guys went out and bought this stuff you prob dont even have a driveway big enough to put it in       
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Sinitro]
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12/11/10 11:59 PM
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also just rememember youre not at home some think you have to have youre home garage nieghbors garage , 2 cars , ooppps 4 wheeler ooppps , golf cart just to go racing 2 days give me a break
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: dennismopar73]
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12/12/10 12:10 AM
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also just rememember youre not at home
some think you have to have youre home garage
nieghbors garage , 2 cars , ooppps 4 wheeler ooppps , golf cart
just to go racing 2 days
give me a break
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....Whats a standard big rig...53' plus the tractor?....I'm sure most are able to handle what they tow...but there are exceptions... 
