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Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
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12/10/10 04:53 AM
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Well, if you have a Motorhome or long rig you need to be aware of what's coming down in the now and future. Since the States are broke, they need revenue. Tickets are revenue. I know there has been several posts on this, including the one last year by BGR. But, I now know a good friend who got a very large ticket coming home from Pomona.  It was for over length in a Motorhome/Trailer combo. It's 65' in CA. His Combo is over 70'.. CHP said SHE got 3 others for the same thing on her shift.. So you say MH's are exempt?? Not in California any more.. He also got a "NO CDL" ticket too.. Why?? Because the MH has a GVW of 29,000 on the door..  Anything over 25,999 must have a CDL in CA.  Over $450.00 so far, and now has to go to court in Indio or Blythe CA. and get legal with a CDL.. All I'm saying here is you had better know your state laws, and the laws of the States you are traveling in or to. My Driver, Billy D, has a CDL, so he is fairly up to date on most of the laws. But they change quickly.. Especially in these times..  Also, if your rig has air brakes, you must have an air brakes endorsement..  Keeps getting better and better doesn't it.. I'm sure most states will follow Ca's. leader and nail Motorhomes.. It's all about the revenue..  AND.. Nevada has a fee of 12 cents a mile for commercial vehicles traveling on their roads.. They also say "YOU ARE COMMERCIAL" if you are going to a race, and there is a prize fund..  I believe CA. has the same law, but not for sure.. Chris.. 
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: SG duster]
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12/10/10 12:57 PM
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Al_Alguire
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It is an issue that needs to be taken up by SEMA and NHRA IMO. BTW I know that you are aware but just having the CDL is not enough if oyu are over length, you will need the permit for that. Oh yeah and then if you dont the fine is even larger when you get stopped. It is simply a money grab IMO on states parts to collect this money. The laws are very vague on the subject but most do say motorhomes are exempt. In fact in Nevada when you call about the fuel permit and them tell them oyu ahve a motorhome and what you are doing they will tell you that you are not required to get the permits. That dont help any when the trooper stops you though. BS if you ask me. OH yeah try showing up to take the skills portion of the CDL with a motorhome  BTW there is an exemption in CA for motorhomes and CDL. AS long as you are not towing for compensation you are not required to have one, THAT is the stickler here  What do they consider towing for compensation. I know of someone who beat the non CDL ticket on that point. The rest overlength still stuck.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: aarlucas]
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12/10/10 02:29 PM
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We have some rules like this in Florida too. We have a lenght rule. If you are over 65' in lenght you need a permit. Albeit a permit is not expensive and they are annual permits, you still need if if you exceed 65'. I think I read the fine was pretty steep too if you are over lenght without a permit if you're caught.
I've never needed a permit for my length
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/10/10 02:44 PM
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Ya'll do know all the base laws are in the US Code. They are Federal Laws and like any Federal Law the states can only add to not take away from. I knew about the over length, overweight (26000+) and CDL for doing interstate commerce laws and I'm not even a heavy hauler. Been looking at trying to find a gooseneck that is under 10kLb GVWR so I can pull my car with my dually. The CDL requirement is the biggest part that needs to be cleared up. It states that you only need a CDL to do Interstate Commerce. A few states like Texas you can still get a class-C (over 26000lb) license without having a CDL. Just that many states choice to do only a CDL because for all the Hassle even on their end it's easier to do that and charge more for a CDL and be done with you. Another thing is if you are driving under CDL rules aren't you suppose to also be driving under someone's ICC authority??? Whining to SEMA and NHRA isn't going to get you much. Bitching to you senate and congress representatives ate the Federal and State level is where you need to go. A nice formally written out letter dropped off in person at there nearest Office in your district (and the all have at least 1; one of mine has 3 in our district). That really get their attention because you took the time and effort and they know your watching them. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=BROWSE&TITLE=49USCSVI&PDFS=YESRead Chapter 311 through 315. The biggest problem is the non-understanding and no clear definition of Interstate Commerce.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: B1KILLER]
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12/10/10 04:59 PM
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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12/10/10 05:05 PM
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Sounds like an over-zealous "Chippy". I come from a big law enforcement family, and tend to side on the side of the coppers, but, reading stuff like this is not cool, as it is mostly chickensh_ _ stuff that they are going to cite you for. We dealt with this same situation coming and going from California to Vegas, and the troopers there, said/did nothing to myself, and several other friends. The absolute worst experience I have ever had with any scales/checkpoints, are the ones in Arizona, particularly the scales closest to the border to California. Those people will crawl up your butt, to find the most minimal infraction, than get pissed when they can't find anything. Thankfully, I have had my CDL since I was 18 years old, with all of the endorsements, so, I don't have to sweat that part of it.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: formula S]
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12/10/10 06:12 PM
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We have some rules like this in Florida too. We have a lenght rule. If you are over 65' in lenght you need a permit. Albeit a permit is not expensive and they are annual permits, you still need if if you exceed 65'. I think I read the fine was pretty steep too if you are over lenght without a permit if you're caught.
I've never needed a permit for my length
shorties usually dont
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[Re: 408Dust]
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12/10/10 06:14 PM
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Quicktree
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25.00 dollar over length permit in Florida will save you 1,000.00.BS law has been in Florida for some time now.
very true but I have never seen a racer get hassled or a ticket because of it.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/10/10 06:16 PM
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It is an issue that needs to be taken up by SEMA and NHRA IMO. BTW I know that you are aware but just having the CDL is not enough if oyu are over length, you will need the permit for that. Oh yeah and then if you dont the fine is even larger when you get stopped. It is simply a money grab IMO on states parts to collect this money. The laws are very vague on the subject but most do say motorhomes are exempt. In fact in Nevada when you call about the fuel permit and them tell them oyu ahve a motorhome and what you are doing they will tell you that you are not required to get the permits. That dont help any when the trooper stops you though. BS if you ask me.
OH yeah try showing up to take the skills portion of the CDL with a motorhome BTW there is an exemption in CA for motorhomes and CDL. AS long as you are not towing for compensation you are not required to have one, THAT is the stickler here What do they consider towing for compensation. I know of someone who beat the non CDL ticket on that point. The rest overlength still stuck.
there is nothing they can or will do to stop it. you think this is fun? wait till csa 2010 kicks in.
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Re: Racers Who Tow with Motorhomes.. Read..
[Re: ro23car]
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12/10/10 08:10 PM
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The worst part of my friends ticket, was he was broke down on the side of the road with 2 blown tires.. So the CHP stops.. Not to help, but to ticket..  Also, if you have a CDL and are over length, the fines are steeper.. Because you are supposed to know the laws.. Length in AZ. is 75' I believe.. Remember the bridge law in CA. is 40' not 41.5' like the rest of the states, for those of you with 5th wheels or goosenecks.. Like I said, know your laws.. They are out to get some $$$$ anywhere they can.. BTW.. I asked V. Gaines how he got away with his massive length trailer and he said it was registered as an Auto Hauler..  Go figure.. Chris.. 
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