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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874482
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I think dates and plants will have to be considered to figure out the puzzle.
Were early cars (January '68) painted & later cars (June '68) decals? One plant painted & two plants decals?
Were there 3 plants that built '68 Super Bees (Lynch Rd., St. Louis, & Los Angeles)?

The '68 Part Catalog (June '69 printing) shows: (#7,9,10)

7 TAPE #2840 573 - deck opening lower panel
9 TAPE #2842 934 - deck lid outside panel
10 TAPE #2842 936-7 - quater panel end extension
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13 DECAL #2842 944 - deck opening lower panel "BEE"

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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: 6bblgt] #874483
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If there is paint on them - someone other the Chrysler did it - probably early in the cars life - which would look original now - after all those years.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: FJ5_Fish] #874484
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This topic has been discussed here before. consensus was tape.....

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: 6bblgt] #874485
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The car I have is a Mid July 68 build. I live down the road from the original buyer so I was going to have him come over and look at the panel and see if he recalls. Tape leaves a ridge more pronounced than a blackout job that blends, which is what this looks like. Just going by what I have in my hands that is without a doubt original equipment.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874486
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I had no idea at all it was there until i stripped the paint, then it came off in sheets kind of. I'd say that document proves it. Even if you were to get it judged, most people don't know what is right. Before I got my car, I had no idea that all 68's were bench seat, post cars. When I called my cousin telling him what I bought, he asked if it was real... I was like, i dunno. Ends up it is... Good luck w/ your decision.. That andy440 site has tons of nice bee's, check it out.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: 68KillerBee] #874487
12/10/10 06:40 AM
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Thanks. I'll check out that Andy440 site. I was going to do the same thing with the tail panel. See what happens when I try to spray some decal remover on it. If it's a decal it should reveal turquoise paint underneath and come off easily with that remover. Matter of fact, I've still got the qtr extensions which have it too. I'll try one of those pieces.

I didn't realize they were all bench seaters either. Mine is a bench seat 4speed. I knew they were all post cars and built beginning in January of 68. Pretty cool deal.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874488
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if there was a decal available they wouldnt have painted.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874489
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I suggest doing your own investigation.
Put a little paint stripper on one part, some decal remover on another and finally a heat gun on a third. Let your results guide you
On two unrestored bees I've looked over I observed thin faded paint.
As mentioned above spd and or plant may play a role.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: srt] #874490
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Well..... I did the test I mentioned with the decal remover and I stand corrected. It is a decal that I have. I have to eat my words from a previous post about it definately being paint. I should have done the test before opening my mouth. I will now remove my foot!!!


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874491
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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: MMC Detroit] #874492
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Cool. This gives me location. I talked to the paint shop yesterday and they're going to paint that on for me. It all answers the tape vs. paint question in my mind. Should be tape.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874493
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Cool. This gives me location. I talked to the paint shop yesterday and they're going to paint that on for me.




Tim your cars are originals, use a decal since your car came with that.


68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X
69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X
69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F6 M6W
70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9
71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9
71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9

72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W

74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9
08 SRT Challenger #234



Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: Scatransit] #874494
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Quote:

My '68 survivor was absolutely a decal... All '68 'Bees got the tail panel blackout & bee decals, even with stripe delete...

Dave at Performance Car Graphics is your man.




I wanted to add that it was a March Lynch Road car...Also I meant "decal" not decals....

More '68 'Bee lore: They all were post/bench cars (already covered), all had wheel lip moldings, and all had the Charger Rally gauges with an optional Tachometer (Tic-Toc Tach), & no bee was installed in the grille. It's also interesting to note that while the Charger rally gauges were standard in the 'Bee, they were an option in the R/T! Dodge wanted a piece of the Road Runner market for sure, and really made the 'Bee a sweet little package!

Keep us updated on your car...Post pics when you can!


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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: 68KillerBee] #874495
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I see a lot with the black out where the DODGE emblems are.



While not correct, they do look 1,000 times better like this.


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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: Scatransit] #874496
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Interesting. I bought this Bee 2 1/2 years ago from the original owner family. It sat under a Walnut tree since 82. I replaced the front/rear frame rails, tranny crossmember support end caps, The whole rear section( trunk floor, trnk floor extensions, trunk lip gutters, tail section, repaired inner/outer wheel houses, rear cross member), both front inner fenders, trunk lid and countless tack metal and grind patches on the fenders and doors. Big project that is getting near completion. I still have it's #'s matching 383, 4spd and 3.55 rear. I'm rebuilding the 383 next year. It has a 1970 440HP2 motor in it right now. I guess to say it's nearing completion isn't true. I do still have the motor to do but I have been driving the car so that's a plus. The original buyer of the car comes over and checks out the progress. He still has the original window sticker, which I have a copy.

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1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: daniel_depetro] #874497
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Quote:

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I see a lot with the black out where the DODGE emblems are.



While not correct, they do look 1,000 times better like this.




Disagree .

I didn't know they all came with wheel lip mouldings. More pics of your q5 bee please . While I like that one I posted earlier (extremely nice), it's an auto on the column. Buzz kill for me.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: 68KillerBee] #874498
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Mine is an LL1 Turquoise Bee. Here's a picture of it when I got it home and put some wheels on it to move around. It came with 14 inch road wheels originally. This is with the original paint. What one looks like after sitting outside for 40 years.I'll have pics of the car with new paint in about a month.

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1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874499
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Outside, under a carport?
I can't see it holding up that well in the environment you reside.
Even in arid areas the paint suffers much more.

Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: TimS] #874500
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Interesting. I bought this Bee 2 1/2 years ago from the original owner family. It sat under a Walnut tree since 82. I replaced the front/rear frame rails, tranny crossmember support end caps, The whole rear section( trunk floor, trnk floor extensions, trunk lip gutters, tail section, repaired inner/outer wheel houses, rear cross member), both front inner fenders, trunk lid and countless tack metal and grind patches on the fenders and doors. Big project that is getting near completion. I still have it's #'s matching 383, 4spd and 3.55 rear. I'm rebuilding the 383 next year. It has a 1970 440HP2 motor in it right now. I guess to say it's nearing completion isn't true. I do still have the motor to do but I have been driving the car so that's a plus. The original buyer of the car comes over and checks out the progress. He still has the original window sticker, which I have a copy. [/quote


When the car is done you should take it by & toss him the key.. I did with my Challenger & he still talks about how cool that was fifteen years later... Dragged a hulk out of his barn & a year later drove back in a beautiful car...

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Re: 68 Super Bee Tail Panel Blackout Question. [Re: srt] #874501
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Nope. This car spent all its life outside, as I verified with the original owner family. I first saw it about 1989. The original buyer had it for 8 years and he then sold it to his nephew who had it till I got it back in 2007. It sat under a walnut tree from 1982 till 2006 in Galveston IN. Was then pulled out of the hole it made for itself by the nephews brother in law and sat outside his house for about a year. I'm just glad the Nephew didn't decide to sell it to the 1st guy to look at it for purchase. He wanted to rebody it with a 318 Coronet he had sitting around from what I was told. I got the 2nd shot.


1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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