Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
[Re: rickstershemi]
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I know it will never happen, but I'd like to see "speed limits" on S/C S/G and S/ST. 135 in S/ST, 150 in S/C and 165 in S/C. It's ridiculous that we have 1,200 hp motors in an 8.90 dragster and 1,000 hp motors in "tube frame" S/ST cars.
Yep....slow them down, that will surely fill the stands
Divisional races rarely draw spectators...at National races...spectators only come to watch the pro's....I'm thinking most of the negative comments come from non-super class racers.....duh
Just my humble opinion
Rickster
I'm not speaking about the grandstands. NHRA sportsman racing, as it is, is NEVER going to appeal to the masses and causal spectator. Where I'm coming from is the hobby racer who has to punch a time clock for a living that can't afford the HP the super-class cares are making.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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I know it will never happen, but I'd like to see "speed limits" on S/C S/G and S/ST. 135 in S/ST, 150 in S/C and 165 in S/C. It's ridiculous that we have 1,200 hp motors in an 8.90 dragster and 1,000 hp motors in "tube frame" S/ST cars.
Yep....slow them down, that will surely fill the stands
Divisional races rarely draw spectators...at National races...spectators only come to watch the pro's....I'm thinking most of the negative comments come from non-super class racers.....duh
Just my humble opinion
Rickster
I'm not speaking about the grandstands. NHRA sportsman racing, as it is, is NEVER going to appeal to the masses and causal spectator. Where I'm coming from is the hobby racer who has to punch a time clock for a living that can't afford the HP the super-class cares are making.
Not all SST, SG & SC racers are huge dollar operations and there sure is a boatload of racers that seem to enjoy the Super Class competition....like I said before, it ain't broke, so leave it alone
Rickster
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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You ALL may as well just face it,,,if you aren't going to race in an NHRA/IHRA PRO class,,,you are going to be a "bracket" racer....S/S,,STK,,all just bracket racers. I know it is hard to swallow, but that is what it ALL boils down too. I don't like it, I know most of you don't like it, but if we are going to race on a budget, we will be racing in some form of handicapped/headstart racing series unless they make classes .10 sec. apart that are 'heads up'. Let the begin!!
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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You ALL may as well just face it,,,if you aren't going to race in an NHRA/IHRA PRO class,,,you are going to be a "bracket" racer....S/S,,STK,,all just bracket racers. I know it is hard to swallow, but that is what it ALL boils down too. I don't like it, I know most of you don't like it, but if we are going to race on a budget, we will be racing in some form of handicapped/headstart racing series unless they make classes .10 sec. apart that are 'heads up'.
Let the begin!!
Have always loved bracket racing myself
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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Yep....slow them down, that will surely fill the stands
Rickster
Actually a "speed limit" would not necessarily slow down the cars, they are still going to run on the index anyway. What is would do is reduce the amount of time they would kill on the throttle stop. After all, the entire purpose of the throttle stop is to use a huge motor to run a slow time with a high MPH. Theoretically giving the "faster" car a slight advantage at the finish line. Limiting the MPH would hopefully mean the super fast cars would drop to the next index class.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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let's see a 8.90 or 8.50 class with no electronics at all.no spray or boosted motors no controller MSD.no eletric or air shifter.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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let's see a 8.90 or 8.50 class with no electronics at all.no spray or boosted motors no controller MSD.no eletric or air shifter.
That's a MUCH better solution that the speed limits, which was what I was getting at when I said it. No stops = no big HP. Oh and no delay boxes...
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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... Throttle stop wonders. Do a big burnout and blast off the line for all of 2 feet before they slow to a crawl... B O R I N G!
I know some of you guys are totally into the TS racing scene, but from a non-participant / spectator perspective, this guy pretty much nailed it.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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... Throttle stop wonders. Do a big burnout and blast off the line for all of 2 feet before they slow to a crawl... B O R I N G!
I know some of you guys are totally into the TS racing scene, but from a non-participant / spectator perspective, this guy pretty much nailed it.
that is why the survey was ONLY sent to PARTICIPANTS, not bench warmers.
I still believe lowering the index's is WAY overdue. Then create a "new" entry level class to replace the old S/St with .500 full tree bracket race no quicker then 10.0, no electronics, tb's etc.
As always NHRA is only concerned about revenue. If they want to double their car counts at Div. races they should allow SuperPro and Pro to compete and pay contingency like IHRA does at some events.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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... Throttle stop wonders. Do a big burnout and blast off the line for all of 2 feet before they slow to a crawl... B O R I N G!
I know some of you guys are totally into the TS racing scene, but from a non-participant / spectator perspective, this guy pretty much nailed it.
that is why the survey was ONLY sent to PARTICIPANTS, not bench warmers.
I still believe lowering the index's is WAY overdue. Then create a "new" entry level class to replace the old S/St with .500 full tree bracket race no quicker then 10.0, no electronics, tb's etc.
As always NHRA is only concerned about revenue. If they want to double their car counts at Div. races they should allow SuperPro and Pro to compete and pay contingency like IHRA does at some events.
Faster cars = more saftey items = more $$$ kickback for Tom and the boys
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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IMO it aint broke so dont fix it..NOTHING done in these classes will put butts in the stands, if you think it will you are sadly mistaken. I think all of us that run these classes get it. BTW the survey is pointless dribble, if they want to make a change they will. Do you honestly think they care what us racers think?
I am one of the those folks that is the target of a lot of the comments in this post. I am on the stop for a LONG time in S/ST. It is the way I choose to race, my money my option. Yes I can run S/G or even S/C if I choose. There are reasons I do not run in those classes. Among them is my car is heavy and trying to kill the tree at a National event in a heavy car on thier pro tree is not gonna happen. Do you guys even know what that tree is for a National event? My guess is most have no idea. Given the current rules I race where I feel my car is competitive. I have a S/C number as well, only to give me the option of running my own local National event, would rather be one of the lonely door cars in S/C as opposed to one of the lone door cars in S/G in a sea of roadsters. At least in S/ST we have some variety in the cars.
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
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12/07/10 01:48 PM
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They are apparently send out surveys only to those who has numbers/licenses. The survey I got was for SST only. The questions were 10.90, 10.50 or 10.00-10.99(dial your own). I voted to leave it alone.
They are also considering lowering the SC & SG indexes to 7.90 & 8.90. To me that's just another step to make it too expensive!!
I never got one & I'M licensed!?!?! Besides that, IMO, keep the indexes where they are--most trcks adjust for the elev. anyway. Eliminate the electronics, INCREASE the weight of the cars & set a speed limit. Like the e.t.s, run too fast & you're out--a 130 S/ST car really doesn't need to get rear-ende when his 165/170mph competition gets loose or dynamites the brakes in an attempt toi not break-out. Plus it'll all cut down on costs. IMO,(like many) NHRA wants to eliminate the hobby or "sportsman" racer and have nothing but Pros running. Hell, they barely tolerate the Super classes as it is!
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Re: NHRA Super Category Survey
[Re: rickstershemi]
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12/07/10 02:07 PM
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Change them to 10.50, 9.50, and 8.50, add a new class, 7.50, no more down track throttle stops, and see what happens. It would make the racing a lot more interesting, and it would match the ET's the nostalgia classes run.
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