Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
#863399
11/25/10 01:06 PM
11/25/10 01:06 PM
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Motor City
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I know fast & cheap don't go together. I am tired of seeing my roller sitting in the garage. I am thinking about trying to get something out for next season if possible. I can't afford my big inch alum. headed NOS combo or even to finish my other combo a Keith Black alum hemi twin turbo combo that I have been gathering parts for. So, what is the best bang for the buck? What is the max stroke crank & length rod you can squeeze into a production 440 block? Want to make the most power I can, cheap. Big cam, compression, carb & I have enough nitrous to nuke a small town. I have a NOS duel stage cross plate & 2 different NOS foggers to spray the heck out of it. I will be hard block filling the block, making alum main caps & have made my own main cap/pain rail stud girdle. My biggest down fall is stock iron heads for now. I will upgrade the heads, intake, etc as money allows.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
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#863400
11/25/10 01:29 PM
11/25/10 01:29 PM
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Weddington, N.C.
Streetwize
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Best bang for the buck in an off the shelf combo would be a 4.25" stroke with a 7.100/2.20 journal rod. If you did like I did and offset ground a used 4.15" crank (spun rod journal) to 4.30-4.315 that gets you to 517-520. You could go 4.375" stroke but you might  have to go to an external oil pump/pick-up/pan set up (some 4.375" will clear internally but it's not a guarantee every block will) but 511 cubes will certainly get it done. the larger cubes will make only slightly more power and I would put the $$$ you save on not going to an external oiling system back into the 511's Heads which would be a much better bang for the buck investment.  Using a low deck 400 (if you had one) would make a small but measurable bit more power (all else being equal) and should be a slight bit more durable. They typically wind up being 20-30 pounds lighter (not always though due to block casting variations) but they also add the benefit of a slightly lower center of gravity. If you go in a phased approach and use a flat top piston you can upgrade heads later, just be aware that the more race oriented heads have a raised exhaust flange so when you pick headers you need to take "final phase 2") fitment into account.
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
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#863401
11/25/10 01:46 PM
11/25/10 01:46 PM
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North Alabama
Monte_Smith
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I put enough nitrous through a 440-1 headed 446, to go 8.40s, at 3300lbs and that was on a stock block............however, I feel I was very lucky to have have never knocked the main webs out of the block and would not test my luck again. The B-1 that follwed that motor, went low 8s, but was built in a Mega-block.
If I was planning to heavily oxide an RB motor these days, even with stock heads, I WOULD upgrade to a good block, without question. Can you get by with a stock block......maybe....if it is prepped right, but with what it will cost to upgrade the stocker, you would nearly have the juice for the good block
Monte
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
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#863402
11/25/10 03:30 PM
11/25/10 03:30 PM
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Oologah, Oklahoma
Big Squeeze
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I know fast & cheap don't go together. I am tired of seeing my roller sitting in the garage. I am thinking about trying to get something out for next season if possible. I can't afford my big inch alum. headed NOS combo or even to finish my other combo a Keith Black alum hemi twin turbo combo that I have been gathering parts for. So, what is the best bang for the buck? What is the max stroke crank & length rod you can squeeze into a production 440 block? Want to make the most power I can, cheap. Big cam, compression, carb & I have enough nitrous to nuke a small town. I have a NOS duel stage cross plate & 2 different NOS foggers to spray the heck out of it. I will be hard block filling the block, making alum main caps & have made my own main cap/pain rail stud girdle. My biggest down fall is stock iron heads for now. I will upgrade the heads, intake, etc as money allows.
What's it going in and how fast do you want to go? 
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
[Re: Big Squeeze]
#863403
11/26/10 12:34 PM
11/26/10 12:34 PM
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Motor City
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Its going in a all steel 70' Challenger. Right now I just want get ot out to make some passes. I don't care if it only goes 12's , 11's or 10's on spray, maybe even 9's on 2 kis. I am building it to go much faster. It has caltracs w/ split mono leafs. It has been mini tubed. I have 29.5 x 10.5 W's for slicks & 315 D/R's to put on it. This winter, My buddy & I are doing a 25.5 (7.50 cert) cage,removable chute & wheelie bars. With my next combo with more cubes & better heads it will eventually go in the 8's on spray. With the twins on the Hemi, 7's for sure (someday). Goal is to run stock suspension classes & the heads up classes.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
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#863405
11/27/10 02:24 AM
11/27/10 02:24 AM
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Phoenix, AZ
MoparBilly
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Seriously,
Just do a flattop 440 and spray away..a big stroke, and big compression is just gonna beat the block up faster. Used aluminum rods, stock crank, flattops, solid cam, get you in the 9's, and will hang together pretty good until you miss on the N20 tune-up.
Done this far too many times!!
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks"
4 Street cars, 5 Race engines
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Re: Biggest c.i. & biggest bang for the buck on the cheap
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/28/10 12:32 AM
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I put enough nitrous through a 440-1 headed 446, to go 8.40s, at 3300lbs and that was on a stock block............however, I feel I was very lucky to have have never knocked the main webs out of the block and would not test my luck again. The B-1 that follwed that motor, went low 8s, but was built in a Mega-block.
If I was planning to heavily oxide an RB motor these days, even with stock heads, I WOULD upgrade to a good block, without question. Can you get by with a stock block......maybe....if it is prepped right, but with what it will cost to upgrade the stocker, you would nearly have the juice for the good block
Monte
Thaxx's Monte I always wanted to ask that ? on how fast on a stock block  but didn't want to be bomb with the new block thing(even thou that is the way to go)just wondering how fast has one gone on a stock block. 
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Seen Billy do it a few times..
