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CARB CHANGE EXPECTATIONS??!!! #859295
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Would it be realistic to expect a 2-3 mph pick-up switching to a 950..or 1000HP Holley,over the 850 Holley(with air horn removed)My previous best was a 119.6 mph. Thanks in advance for your opinions! RandyB

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Well, that would depend. If you can borrow a carb, you absolutely should try more CFM. As for buying carbs to test, not unless you're made of money.

My 500" wedge gained just over 1 mph in the 1/8 going from a 950 to a 1050 Dominator. I don't remember exactly what my gain was when I went from an 850 to the 950. But it seems like a mile an hour or so.

How big a carb, type of spacer (if any), type of boosters, etc. are best determined through testing.


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It's been a while, but it seems like when I switched from a 650 double pumper to a 750 DP, I gained .10-.15, which may have been 1-1.5 mph. The 650 DP ran about the same as a 750 vacuum secondary carb. (This was on a 360.) Just my opinion, but unless the engine really needs the air flow or the tune-up is better on the bigger carb, I doubt you'll pick up 2-3 mph.

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A 950HP is smaller than an 850 DP. The 1000HP is basically the same carb as a 850 DP. So I'd say that you wouldn't see much difference at all between those carbs unless one of them wasn't set up correctly.

The 950HP is probably the best carb to run on the street but it might slow you down just a tad at the drags. Typically the 950HP will run better than a 850 DP on the street unless you have more than 500 ci.

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Sorry, this is not about the carb question, but is that teflon tape on your flared fittings or anti-seize? If it is teflon tape...get that junk off there because it does absolutely nothing to seal up JIC fittings.

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Would it be realistic to expect a 2-3 mph pick-up switching to a 950..or 1000HP Holley,over the 850 Holley(with air horn removed)My previous best was a 119.6 mph. Thanks in advance for your opinions! RandyB


Go test them and find out , it looks like you have the 950 HP and we know you have the 850 Inquiring minds want to know


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A 950HP is smaller than an 850 DP. The 1000HP is basically the same carb as a 850 DP. So I'd say that you wouldn't see much difference at all between those carbs unless one of them wasn't set up correctly.

The 950HP is probably the best carb to run on the street but it might slow you down just a tad at the drags. Typically the 950HP will run better than a 850 DP on the street unless you have more than 500 ci.


ANDY can you tell us how the 950 is differed than the 850 it flows less

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Hookd..I believe because the 950 has an 850 base and a 750 main body! Never knew the 1000 only flows as much as the 850! Cab..I really can't test the carbs out at the track until next spring..when my neck has more time to heal from the surgery! If time's an issue,I can send the 850 back this week. If not,I'd like to test it out in the spring! Please let me know! The engine seems VERY responsive with the "borrowed" 950HP installed! Still waiting for some 50*+ weather to change the air bleeds(lean out)and take it down the road! I live out in the country..2-lane blacktop road,and can get er' rolling pretty good!

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A 950HP is smaller than an 850 DP. The 1000HP is basically the same carb as a 850 DP. So I'd say that you wouldn't see much difference at all between those carbs unless one of them wasn't set up correctly.

The 950HP is probably the best carb to run on the street but it might slow you down just a tad at the drags. Typically the 950HP will run better than a 850 DP on the street unless you have more than 500 ci.


ANDY can you tell us how the 950 is differed than the 850 it flows less




Quoted from Captain Budget:

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A Holley "950 HP" is basically a streamlined 750-size (1.38" venturi) main body w/ an 850 (1.75") baseplate. IIRC, that's worth 820-840 cfm from what those who have flow-tested them have said.


A Holley "1000 HP" is a streamlined 850-size (1.56" venturi) main body w/ a 1.75" baseplate. I don't remember what those supposedly flow, but I'm pretty sure it's well below 1000 cfm. "

When I purchased my 1050 QF Annular Booster 4150 they claimed it would flow every bit of 1050 cfm. I think the QF/Pro-form main body is a different animal from the Holley.

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The 950 verses the 850 w/o air horn will mph the same on your single plane intake, but the 950 might pick up the 60 ft, and mid track (shift recovery) performance. Maybe .1 sec. in et.

Test it out and let us know.

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Jeremiah,did you have it flow-tested to see exactly what it flows??? How do you like it? I want more air flow..without hurting streetability,even though I run a 4:56 gear and a 9.5" torque converter! If I can get a couple of mph,and still have low-speed throttle response...I'll be a happy camper!

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Hey Randy I think the Big L is open one more weekend??????
Let me know if ya wanna go testing

Gary.

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Thanks Russ! Early this week I'm going to change the pri. and sec. idle bleeds! Pri. to .080,and sec. to .078's! I'll let ya' know what I think about the change!

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Thanks,Gary!...wish I could! My neck's still on the mend! VERY STIFF!

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Jeremiah,did you have it flow-tested to see exactly what it flows??? How do you like it? I want more air flow..without hurting streetability,even though I run a 4:56 gear and a 9.5" torque converter! If I can get a couple of mph,and still have low-speed throttle response...I'll be a happy camper!




I'm sorry to say that we never got that involved this year...or the last three for that matter. I'd love to see what it flows though. As far as street manners it is every bit as good as an 850 HP IMO. It would be cool if you could find one to try locally. I was very worried when I first looked down the throat of the carb. It's like looking through a tube! That said it idles nice and throttle response is good at low speeds. If you can't find one to try locally perhaps we can work something out?

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Thanks Jeremiah! I went on QF's web site and couldn't find the 1050 main body! Am I missing something??? Jeremiah...could you steer me in the right direction? Thanks!

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I purchased an entire carb from Summit. Prior to that I was using a 1050AN Mian body from ProForm. On one site the casting has "ProForm" and on the other is has "QFt". They are one in the same as far as I know. If you select the "360 deg. view" link above the product picture you will see what I mean concerning the cast-in logo's.

Here is the link at Summit Racing :



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i just tried a ultra hp950 against my mighty demon 825
on my package i lost about 3/10's and 3-4 mph.just did not get it done.did chassis dyno a tad over 400rwhp
it did seem to want to run richer than the demon
go figure
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Thanks for the info,Tex! Congrats on your new best..too bad ya' broke out!

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Randy I doubt you would see much if any change.
It's confusing but the 850 flows more than a 950.
Talk to Dwayne about this. Now if you could borrow/buy a 1050 Dom. you probably would see mph difference.
I remember Dwayne saying in just about every combo a WELL tuned Dom. will outperform a 4150!

OK you dirty rat you! sorry just had to say it.


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