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Small block vs Big block #846651 11/05/10 04:53 PM 11/05/10 04:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI B Big B OP enthusiast
Big B OP enthusiast B Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI	I am looking to build a twin turbo for my 69 Sport Satellite. I have a 493BB with Indy-1 heads right now. I am looking to make around 2000hp on pump gas. The biggest problem I see is running the exhaust with a big block. How much smaller is a small block then a big block? I am trying to prevent cutting my car all up. Can a "big inch" small block handle that much power? Like a Ritter XR block with P7 heads? I know a Keith Black block, and my Indy-1 heads, can make/handle the power no problem.

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846652 11/05/10 06:34 PM 11/05/10 06:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas TheOtherDodge master
TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	With your hp requirements it will be much easier to make it with a BB. 2000 hp on pump gas? Not sure... If you go twins you can run a 4" down pipe on each side, which should clear.

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: TheOtherDodge] #846653 11/05/10 06:52 PM 11/05/10 06:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI B Big B OP enthusiast
Big B OP enthusiast B Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI	Well I do plan on installing an Alterkation front end. That should free up some space. I want to run full exhaust to make the car as quiet as possible. Maybe I will just build the Keith Black/Indy combo. Maybe go with a 540. With a big inter-cooler 2000hp is easy. The shop that builds my engine just finished a pump gas 427TT SB Chevy that made 1800 hp.

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846654 11/05/10 08:17 PM 11/05/10 08:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	We all want our cake and be able to eat it too. You want 1. stock sheetmetal in the engine bay 2. quiet 3. 2000 HP So the question is this: If you don't want to mess up the stock sheetmetal, why wouldn't 1000 HP (Which will twist the quarters)_be only half enough?

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846655 11/05/10 08:27 PM 11/05/10 08:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	If you want 2000hp out of an engine you are going to have to hack the car no matter what. So I don't see your point. It's not like you can make a 2000hp car and have it not be a tube chassis car...or at least it wouldn't be smart to do it any other way. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846656 11/05/10 09:50 PM 11/05/10 09:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	It will be cheaper to just make it make 500 hp and tell everyone it makes 2,000. That way you won't hurt the car. You won't get 2,000 hp to the ground with a stock chassis. It would make a great smoke show - but it won't show up in the timeslips. Reckless driving optional.

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Duner] #846657 11/05/10 10:29 PM 11/05/10 10:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	he does not have to put it to the ground all at 1 time.

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846658 11/05/10 11:01 PM 11/05/10 11:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Quote: I am looking to build a twin turbo for my 69 Sport Satellite. I have a 493BB with Indy-1 heads right now. I am looking to make around 2000hp on pump gas. The biggest problem I see is running the exhaust with a big block. How much smaller is a small block then a big block? I am trying to prevent cutting my car all up. Can a "big inch" small block handle that much power? Like a Ritter XR block with P7 heads? I know a Keith Black block, and my Indy-1 heads, can make/handle the power no problem. I'm building something similar., but will be 1,500hp/1100 ftlbs. pictures of exhaust: 6287492-DSC00584.jpg (55 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846659 11/05/10 11:02 PM 11/05/10 11:02 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	rear exhaust: 6287495-DSC00616(2).jpg (112 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846660 11/05/10 11:03 PM 11/05/10 11:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	front exhaust: 6287496-DSC00901(s).jpg (104 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846661 11/05/10 11:08 PM 11/05/10 11:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Only thing I can say, is that to have you cake and eat it too requires substantial investment, planning, engineering requirements are huge, and you will still not get it all to the ground. 2000hp is a lot. 1500hp is a lot. 1000hp is a lot. After the dyno sheet is done we will back of the ProCharger and tune to tame it for street use. We're running everything stealth.. underhood, 2 x intercoolers, they are digitizing the whole engine bay now and are then CAD designing the whole reverse mount system for the F2, if you're after continuous duty there's a lot to do. Let me know if you want to see the fuel system design it's like a Boeing 747. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Big B] #846662 11/05/10 11:21 PM 11/05/10 11:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky I instigator super stock
instigator super stock I Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky	Quote: Well I do plan on installing an Alterkation front end. That should free up some space. I want to run full exhaust to make the car as quiet as possible. Maybe I will just build the Keith Black/Indy combo. Maybe go with a 540. With a big inter-cooler 2000hp is easy. The shop that builds my engine just finished a pump gas 427TT SB Chevy that made 1800 hp. I call BS on 1800hp with 427ci on pump gas....maybe E-85 but that still would be a killer spreadport exhaust motor. 2000 hp on pump gas will be next to impossible on even a big 500+ cube motor....exempting E-85. 65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: instigator] #846663 11/05/10 11:35 PM 11/05/10 11:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Quote: I call BS on 1800hp with 427ci on pump gas....maybe E-85 but that still would be a killer spreadport exhaust motor. 2000 hp on pump gas will be next to impossible on even a big 500+ cube motor....exempting E-85. I gotta say... I reckon it'd be very very hard to do -especially on pump gas, not easy at all. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846664 11/05/10 11:37 PM 11/05/10 11:37 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States P PHJ426 master
PHJ426 master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	DarrenB, Lets see a shot of the fuel system. And who makes the oil pan on your Charger also, how many quarts and is it internal or external pickup for the oil pump?

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: PHJ426] #846665 11/05/10 11:39 PM 11/05/10 11:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States P PHJ426 master
PHJ426 master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Big B Why not go Hemi with 500+ inches with an aftermarket block?

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: PHJ426] #846666 11/06/10 12:01 AM 11/06/10 12:01 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Hopefully this file is viewable -this is the system design by Aeromotive to support 2000hp, using E85, EFI, F2-ProCharged. Note that I actually require 4 fuel rails in total and 16 injectors to support the fuel flow requirements (staged/sequential), 16 x 95 lb injectors. ProCharger will run at 15lbs @ 7000 rpm. 6287607-C-A1KEFIDualIn-Tank.pdf (194 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846667 11/06/10 12:03 AM 11/06/10 12:03 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	I'll try again -picture: 6287610-C-A1KEFIDualIn-Tank.jpg (68 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: Keith Black®] #846668 11/06/10 12:05 AM 11/06/10 12:05 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	mod's we're doing to get the 2 x A1000 Aeromotive (staged) Fuel pumps inside the OEM tank.. 6287613-fueltankmods.jpg (31 downloads) -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: PHJ426] #846669 11/06/10 12:10 AM 11/06/10 12:10 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Quote: .... And who makes the oil pan on your Charger also, how many quarts and is it internal or external pickup for the oil pump? Milodon #31580. Great pan, trap doors and internal baffling. awesome. Internal pick up . I'm modifying mine for external theres a place to do that. 7 qt. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Small block vs Big block [Re: instigator] #846670 11/06/10 12:28 AM 11/06/10 12:28 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI B Big B OP enthusiast
Big B OP enthusiast B Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 325 Greenville, WI	Quote: Quote: Well I do plan on installing an Alterkation front end. That should free up some space. I want to run full exhaust to make the car as quiet as possible. Maybe I will just build the Keith Black/Indy combo. Maybe go with a 540. With a big inter-cooler 2000hp is easy. The shop that builds my engine just finished a pump gas 427TT SB Chevy that made 1800 hp. I call BS on 1800hp with 427ci on pump gas....maybe E-85 but that still would be a killer spreadport exhaust motor. 2000 hp on pump gas will be next to impossible on even a big 500+ cube motor....exempting E-85. Todd at Goodwin Competition Racing Engines built the engine. I am going to see if I can get a copy of the dyno sheet. I thought 1800hp sounded high too, but I doubt He lied to me. They build a lot of high end engines.

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