Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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I don't think it will work due to the ci difference. you would need to step up the pressure or injector size in the tb. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1is a disscusion on a cheap way to do it, with links to some other forums where they used a 5.0 mustang system.
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Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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best way to do it on the cheap is to find a 454 TBI setup....should be pretty close as is, and the computer has been hacked to death so you could tune it to be close to dead nuts on...
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Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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i myself don't agree with having to go to bigger injectors,for the fact that the holley/mopar TBI delivers 350 CFM of air/fuel mix,just as the old BBD was 350 CFM. and the TBI will do it with a bit more efficiency. add to it that i am thinking about using the 360/manual trans ECM,that alone adds a better fuel/spark map.and i don't have tranny issues to deal with,as the truck is already a NP535 5-speed manual. i am going to a buddies JY today,and pull a dizzy out of a 91 360 TBI truck he has there,and take it apart and figure out how it works. i am not wanting to do any "upgrades" to this 2bbl 383,except exhaust. this whole thing is more of a challenge thing for me,doesn't seem like anyone has tried this paticular set-up,and,i like to do different things. and,i literally have everything at my disposal. worst case,if it don't work,i can have a big bon-fire out in the back yard,and start over another direction.lol.
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Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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i myself don't agree with having to go to bigger injectors,for the fact that the holley/mopar TBI delivers 350 CFM of air/fuel mix,just as the old BBD was 350 CFM. and the TBI will do it with a bit more efficiency.
However you must take into account the fact that the 383 will be drawing more air at a given throttle position/MAP reading than the 360. But the 360 and 383 are close enough in CI that the oxygen sensor may be able to cover the difference. Of course other factors come into play as well such as cylinder head flow and camshaft profile. If you're sticking to all bone stock stuff, the ecu *may* be able to cover it. Just keep in mind you are using the 80's dodge truck tbi system which most overs of that system seem to hate. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif)
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add to it that i am thinking about using the 360/manual trans ECM,that alone adds a better fuel/spark map.
No it won't be a "better" fuel/spark curve, it will be a different one. It will be one engineers at chrysler spent hundreds or thousands of hours developing and tweaking to run on a bone stock 198x 360 to meet driveability and emissions standards at the time. As was stated, that tbi system is not known for its flexibility.
Worst case scenario is the system is a failure and you wasted some time and junkyard parts on. If you can live with that, then go for it. Myself, I would sooner buy a base model megasquirt system so I have a tunable ecu.
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Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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I am highly skeptical that a Dodge TBI unit will mount directly to a 383 2-barrel intake. Although I haven't held a Dodge TBI, I've got GM 5.0/5.7, 454 and a few 5.2/5.9 Magnum TBs laying around. They are nowhere close to a bolt-on. What I can tell you is that Maggie V8 and 454 GM TBs have ~2" bores, located quite close together, and look very similar to this pic of a 360 TBI vs a 360 carb. Others have given lots of good advice. - The GM ECU and TB has great tech and parts support on the internet.
- The Dodge system is loathed by quite a few people who either have it or have tried to repair it.
- If you want TB, you go GM. If you want port-EFI, Ford is probably the best choice.
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Re: adapting TBI to a 383/400 big block? anyone done it?
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Since you have the stuff laying around, give it a try and let us know how it works.
The link AndrewH posted earlier has lots of detail on the distributors (some of it provided by me), but basically you will need to put the bigblock shaft into the TBI dizzy housing and pin the trigger wheel into the shaft at the right location based on #1. You'll need to use the pre-TBI rotor, I think.
After that, as already mentioned, fuel delivery might be a hurdle -- the injector pulsewidths for a 360 won't match a 383, so a fuel pressure increase will be required to compensate. You could do it with a nice adjustable FPR in teh return line or maybe do it on the cheap with a needle valve.
I think you'd need a wideband gauge to watch teh AFs while you adjust the FPR, unless you want to do it old-school via MPG, vacuum, sparkplug readings, etc.
Regardless, I would use a 4-V spreadbore manifold and make an adapter plate from aluminum. Mount the TB above the larger secondary holes. A 2-V intake plenum will be a bottleneck. BTDT.
As with most things like this, it could be really simple and effective or it could be a PITA, and you won't know until afterward.
Last edited by Fury Fan; 11/03/10 02:41 PM.
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