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Vapor Lock #836960
10/23/10 10:03 PM
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i think i have a vapor lock problem with my 68' 440/727, i have holley 750 vac. sec., with headers, once the car runs , i ran down the street about 3miles and back to the house, the car was idling in my driveway and went dead, wld not start, getting fire however was not getting gas, i thought was a fuel pump, when and bought new fuel pump, when the car dies, the see thru fuel filter has bubbles in it and is not full, once the car cools down for about 5 to mins will crank and run fine tell heated up again, then the fuel filter almost empty and bubbles, i have a 3/8 rubber hose feeding the carb, the only thing i have changed is i switched around the inlet to the back to get the inlet connection away from the dist., i have included a pic. of the set up that i am having the problem with, i was just going to switch it back around, but i thought i wld ask to see if i may have another problem.
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Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836961
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this pic is after the engine has set for about 2 to 3hours, see the fuel filter is full, however once it heats up, the fuel filter gets empty and bubbles


Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836962
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loosen your gas cap to make sure you don't have a vacuum lock instead of vapor lock. I was having the same trouble. First trip today without the locking gas cap, and the car drove normal after a 40 minute trip. I still need to do more testing, but it looks promising so far.


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Re: Vapor Lock [Re: GO_Fish] #836963
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i am using the 43year original, how do i check this?

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836964
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for a test, you can just loosen it. When it starts running crappy and the filter is nearly empty, walk back and loosen the cap. If there was a vacuum lock in the tank, loosening the cap should let it breathe and the filter should fill up again and the idle should smooth out.


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Re: Vapor Lock [Re: GO_Fish] #836965
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i will give this a try tommorrow, i have fat lady across the street theat calls the cops when i crank up the 440 after 9pm.


Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836966
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Not to be picky here but I would get rid of the rubber fuel line and glass fuel filter before you have a fire! You can get a really decent steel line made for little $$$.

Also ensure that the float level is set correctly and the fuel line is routed away from the headers/exhaust. If there is not enough fuel in the carb bowls it will boil out. Also, if the fuel pump is weak you can have problems similar to what you describe.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: Jeremiah] #836967
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Flip the hard fuel line at the carb bowls so the inlet is facing the front of the car.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: Jeremiah] #836968
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i agree about the rubber gas line, i have not really had the car on the road yet, the rubber line was the easy way out to get the car running,
i have already thought about the rubber line

i just put a brand new fuel pump, i thought it was the fuel pump to begin with.

i have also checked the fuel levels, they were both fine

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: Belvedere1] #836969
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do you think that by swapping the inlet to the back of the carb has made this problem?

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836970
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Quote:

do you think that by swapping the inlet to the back of the carb has made this problem?




No I do not. I had a daily driver setup like that for years (in Dallas, TX) and that 440 never vapor locked. I saw it the other day and it's still setup like your with no issues.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836971
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It could but cannot say for sure but flipping it to the front will reduce the length of rubber hose which is a good idea along with getting rid of that glass filter. That long hose laying against the valve cover just increases the chances of heating the fuel even more. Flip the line to the front, change the filter, and keep the fuel line from laying on any heat source and that should be a good place to start.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: Belvedere1] #836972
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Will the inlet to the fuel rail hit the distributor if you point it forward? I am pretty sure you will have to bend it slightly towards the driver's side to make it work like that. 'Just a thought...

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: Jeremiah] #836973
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now that you mention that I seem to remember that same issue on friends car several years ago and the end of that barb needs "tweaked" a little to clear the distribtor.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836974
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Quote:

i i ran down the street about 3miles and back to the house,


If I'm reading that right for it to be vapor locking that fast either the headers are heating a line that's too close or the sock is partly plugged or there's a pinhole in the line rearward from the pump back to the tank. I would check the pump rod (should be 3.250" give or take a few thou) and as said those glass filters look nice to see your flow but most are very restrictive at the inlet/outlet nipples where they meet the filter sock (check it) and do not filter out small enough particles (micron rating too high).


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Get it away from the valve cover.

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: txterry2] #836976
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I don't understand why some flip that line, all your doing is making more area for the fuel to get in, it will clear the dist. if you set it up right, its harder running the holley dual inlet line with low profile intakes, i'm sure you can figure something out, i would too get rid of the glass filter, you more then likely have issues in the tank with blockage or in the factory lines, your starveing the fuel pump, i had this happen once, how you can check it (how i ckecked mine) is i pulled off the line from the inlet side of the pump, then install a short hardline & about 2 ft. or so of hose & blew the line to see how hard is was to push all the fuel back in the tank, thats when i realized it was badly clogged, just something to try if the gas cap trick doesn't work.


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Re: Vapor Lock [Re: RapidRobert] #836977
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what kind of filter do you suggest?

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: joedust451] #836978
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so when i blow on the line, should i not have any
resistance, should i not notice any resistance?

Re: Vapor Lock [Re: cornet684me] #836979
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Quote:

so when i blow on the line, should i not have any
resistance, should i not notice any resistance?




Just get a metal Wix in-line, you will feel resistance "some" untill you push the fuel back in the tank & all your blowing is air, then it should be alot easier to blow through, basically just like blowing through a hose pushing water untill it emptys, then its much easier, as you know its "physics", blowing air is alot easier then blowing liguid, but once the liguids out all thats left is air, then it becomes much easier, sure your going to have "some" resistance (even with all air) because its a long line with bends & turns & 5/16 in diameter, but if its clogged/clogging somewhere you'll know it, i'm sure it is because your having a serious issue getting fuel.

Now if you want to check the FP & or (Rod for wear), just stick a long hose in a gas can & run it to the inlet side of the pump, then put the outlet to another gas can & see how much volume it delivers, of coarse its "best" to do this after the engine is warm & the carb is full of fuel, this way it'll idle for a minute or 2, you'll know if thats all good, if so you can rule out the Pump & Rod... Just be careful when messing with fuel, keep it away from fans/electrical ect..

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