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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Those are the shift lever shafts. They are sealed with an o-ring. Yes they do go bad some times. In order to change them you have to pull the side cover off and re-o-ring the shafts and reseal the side cover. Not a real hard job, but it takes a little time to drain the fluid and such.
I agree, and if it's leaking that bad, the seals were probably left out completely
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Ok, thanks guys. So, for the parts I'd need to order for this - it would be the seal/o-ring for the shift lever shaft, and the gasket for the side cover, right? Anything else I need to get beforehand (other than fluid, of course) ? Are these parts easy to come by at an auto parts store or are these items I should order from a specialist in advance? Thanks much for your help!! --Stan 
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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It would be a good idea to run a small ball hone through the side cover bores while you have it apart to help smooth out any scratches.
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Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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also make sure you clean the end of the shift shafts BEFORE you pull them thru the side cover , years of rust and dirt will ruin those bores and you may never stop the leaks , wire brush and a file to remove any burrs .
that piece of linkage is for the reverse lockout on the column , same bushing that are used for a colum automatic shifter and yes you can get them from a deller i would bet .
and the orings you should be able to get at a parts store or from brewer or passon , or even a hardware store
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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You can replace the o-rings on the two shafts on the cover (and the one for reverse) without removing the cover or taking the tranny apart.
When you have the levers off yopu will see a square cross section nylon nylon spacer around the shft. Pick this out with a needle then you will be able to pick out the o-ring. Grease up the new o-rings push them in and put the nylon spacer back in on top and you are done.
Thats only on the reverse lever of an ALUMINUM CASE 833 4 speed. (Side cover of same trans ???? )
WE are, of course, ASSuMEing that he has a 1970 Cast Iron, NON OD 833 ,the cast iron side cover has the O rings on the shift shaft and the only way to get them out is to pull off the side cover.
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Thank you all for the advice!
Yes, it's an all stock cast iron setup.
When it was up on the hoist, the guy also mentioned that my shifter linkage to trans felt loose and should be re-done.
Not knowing much yet about these setups, is it common to just rebuild or replace the linkage?
The two rubber bushings on the ends of the bar in the last picture were worn. But, other than those, does it make sense to see if there is a linkage rebuild kit or new unit available?
Thanks for helping me out on these questions!
--Stan
if its all stock factory shift linkage there are NO BUSHINGS , NOTHING, to rebuild , other than the shifter box itself , the linkage rods and levers would have to be REPLACED if they are worn .
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Thanks Dan. I'll do that too.
I was also told when it was on the lift, that the shifter linkage bushings were worn out. I'll attach a photo (sorry, not a good one, but it shows the horizontal bar where the bushings are located).
Are these bushings available anywhere (and what would these be called, so I could search for them?) ?
Thanks a lot guys!
judging by this picture, I think he might mean the Z Bar ,if so, there are bushings. readily avalible.
good point , his description is vague at best , but everything in that picture that has bushings , the bushings are readily available
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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You can replace the o-rings on the two shafts on the cover (and the one for reverse) without removing the cover or taking the tranny apart.
When you have the levers off yopu will see a square cross section nylon nylon spacer around the shft. Pick this out with a needle then you will be able to pick out the o-ring. Grease up the new o-rings push them in and put the nylon spacer back in on top and you are done.
Thats only on the reverse lever of an ALUMINUM CASE 833 4 speed. (Side cover of same trans ???? )
WE are, of course, ASSuMEing that he has a 1970 Cast Iron, NON OD 833 ,the cast iron side cover has the O rings on the shift shaft and the only way to get them out is to pull off the side cover.
I have an alumnium case OD tranny and all three shaft o-rings can be changed that way. I just assumed they all could be.
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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You can replace the o-rings on the two shafts on the cover (and the one for reverse) without removing the cover or taking the tranny apart.
When you have the levers off yopu will see a square cross section nylon nylon spacer around the shft. Pick this out with a needle then you will be able to pick out the o-ring. Grease up the new o-rings push them in and put the nylon spacer back in on top and you are done.
Thats only on the reverse lever of an ALUMINUM CASE 833 4 speed. (Side cover of same trans ???? )
WE are, of course, ASSuMEing that he has a 1970 Cast Iron, NON OD 833 ,the cast iron side cover has the O rings on the shift shaft and the only way to get them out is to pull off the side cover.
I have an alumnium case OD tranny and all three shaft o-rings can be changed that way. I just assumed they all could be.
that was a good design change that was made if you ask me .
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Yes, all have "O" rings. Left 3-4, middle 1-2, and lower right - reverse.
and the trans will have to be completely disassembled to change the reverse seal .
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Yes, all have "O" rings. Left 3-4, middle 1-2, and lower right - reverse.
and the trans will have to be completely disassembled to change the reverse seal .
I was gonna mention that John but I figure I'd let you give him the good news. 
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Yes, all have "O" rings. Left 3-4, middle 1-2, and lower right - reverse.
and the trans will have to be completely disassembled to change the reverse seal .
I was gonna mention that John but I figure I'd let you give him the good news.
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Thanks Mark and John and others for the help with this. So, if I've identified the source of the leak correctly, it's from these three shift lever bolts on the driver's side. Wow...what is the chance that all 3 O-rings started leaking on me at the same time?!  Does it sound like possibly these rings might not have been there in the first place (rather than all failing)? It must be a slow leak, because when I checked the fluid with the "first knuckle test" - the fluid level is still ok. The spots on the garage floor that it leaves are not that big, but the trans bottom always seems to stay wet. Could it also be that the gear oil, when it leaks out, just clings to the bottom of the trans and makes the leak look worse than it is? Thank you!
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Re: A-833 Trans Leak
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Thanks Mark and John and others for the help with this.
So, if I've identified the source of the leak correctly, it's from these three shift lever bolts on the driver's side. Wow...what is the chance that all 3 O-rings started leaking on me at the same time?! Does it sound like possibly these rings might not have been there in the first place (rather than all failing)?
It must be a slow leak, because when I checked the fluid with the "first knuckle test" - the fluid level is still ok. The spots on the garage floor that it leaves are not that big, but the trans bottom always seems to stay wet. Could it also be that the gear oil, when it leaks out, just clings to the bottom of the trans and makes the leak look worse than it is?
Thank you!
they are in there , if they weren't you would have a BIG puddle .
and yes the thicker weight oil doesn't drip like ATF or lighter weight motor oil .
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