Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
E85 vs Petrol #829745
10/14/10 05:04 PM
10/14/10 05:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
Keith Black® Offline OP
pro stock
Keith Black®  Offline OP
pro stock

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
Any engine building considerations?

I understand it runs a little cooler..and you consume 30% more. Better for forced induction..?

Would appreciate anyone sharing their experiences of making the switch.


--------------------------------
Darren Beale
Keith Black Racing Engines®
Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: Keith Black®] #829746
10/14/10 05:08 PM
10/14/10 05:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,502
SOUTH JERSEY
HEMIFRED Offline
master
HEMIFRED  Offline
master

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,502
SOUTH JERSEY
TODAY THE GAME HAS CHANGED 15% ON IT'S WAY


home of the
Sox and Martin Hemi Duster


Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: HEMIFRED] #829747
10/14/10 05:28 PM
10/14/10 05:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
Keith Black® Offline OP
pro stock
Keith Black®  Offline OP
pro stock

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
In Australia we are only just getting E85. Hence the decision.

Just looking for tips from people who have already made the change .. benefits, things to look out for.


--------------------------------
Darren Beale
Keith Black Racing Engines®
Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: Keith Black®] #829748
10/14/10 05:38 PM
10/14/10 05:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
Quote:

In Australia we are only just getting E85. Hence the decision.

Just looking for tips from people who have already made the change .. benefits, things to look out for.




For us over here the major factor is the cost... its
about $.20 cheaper than the regular pump gas plus
you get the added octane(about 105)... yes alot of
turbo guys are running on it... I've been very happy
running it... the car is very consistent on it

Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: MR_P_BODY] #829749
10/14/10 07:59 PM
10/14/10 07:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,260
Las Vegas NV
moparmanjames Offline
pro stock
moparmanjames  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,260
Las Vegas NV
I've used it a couple of times and was very happy with it. That being said I still have to finish modifying my carb for it but I picked up over a tenth with just bigger jets.

Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: moparmanjames] #829750
10/14/10 09:07 PM
10/14/10 09:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 686
PA
A
ajcasini Offline
mopar
ajcasini  Offline
mopar
A

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 686
PA
A couple things you can consider are:

1. Higher compression for the engine. The cooling properties will allow it to be streetable.
2. When choosing cams be sure not to get anything with a wide LSA. You want the LSA to be at or less than 110.

These are the only things I can think of right now off the top of my head.

Other than that just do the carb mods and have at it.

Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: ajcasini] #829751
10/14/10 09:13 PM
10/14/10 09:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,928
NC
440Jim Offline
I Live Here
440Jim  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,928
NC
Quote:


2. When choosing cams be sure not to get anything with a wide LSA. You want the LSA to be at or less than 110.


I tested with E85 and a 112 LSA cam and was happy with it. When I changed the combo the next year I went to a bigger cam (combo reasons, not E85) and it happened to be 110 LSA.

The fuel pump is a consideration. Ethanol is not as bad as methanol, but material properties for long term operation should be considered. And the flow rate increase.

I have found that E85 is between gasoline and methanol in many ways. And I like the result.

I am running 13.5 CR naturally aspirated, aluminum heads, 0.039" quench, 279/280 at 0.050" duration cam.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: 440Jim] #829752
10/14/10 10:07 PM
10/14/10 10:07 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
Quote:

Quote:


2. When choosing cams be sure not to get anything with a wide LSA. You want the LSA to be at or less than 110.


I tested with E85 and a 112 LSA cam and was happy with it. When I changed the combo the next year I went to a bigger cam (combo reasons, not E85) and it happened to be 110 LSA.

The fuel pump is a consideration. Ethanol is not as bad as methanol, but material properties for long term operation should be considered. And the flow rate increase.

I have found that E85 is between gasoline and methanol in many ways. And I like the result.

I am running 13.5 CR naturally aspirated, aluminum heads, 0.039" quench, 279/280 at 0.050" duration cam.




I'm running a 112 lsa cam also

Re: E85 vs Petrol [Re: MR_P_BODY] #829753
10/15/10 01:05 AM
10/15/10 01:05 AM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
Keith Black® Offline OP
pro stock
Keith Black®  Offline OP
pro stock

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,212
QLD Australia
thanks looks like its the right option.
cooling is important as is intercooling in my build
It looks like a good option. I hope the fuel pump (AeroM 11104) will keep up but mostly street use so should be ok. EFI.. so tunable.

appreciate your comments. thanks everyone.


--------------------------------
Darren Beale
Keith Black Racing Engines®






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1