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Update - Lynch Road fender tag for 69 GTX - w/photos
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09/28/10 03:20 AM
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While inquiring about a super track pack (A34) '69 GTX I'm surprised that this option doesn't appear on the fender tag. In my mind, that seems hard to comprehend for an expensive $260 add-on in 1969. Other major options not on the tag include 6 way seat and power brakes, though pdb are standard w/A34. Any one seen a similar car without the A34 code on the FT? Yeah, I know Lynch Road is stingy on listing options, but in this case C16 (console) and V21 are listed in place of A34.
There is also a window sticker to go with the car that I'm not yet convinced is real as it has the A34 code on it, but not the V21 perf. hood paint code. Yet the V21 code appears on the fender tag. It would seem to me that one or both of these docs is probably incorrect.
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/28/10 05:08 AM
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The fender tag is NOT a tag to list options for the car, no matter what the cost ...... .... it is a tag to instruct line workers how to build the "body-in-white" & paint/trim combination FYI - the 4.10 DANA should be on the tag, is there a 644?  Got pics?
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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While inquiring about a super track pack (A34) '69 GTX I'm surprised that this option doesn't appear on the fender tag. In my mind, that seems hard to comprehend for an expensive $260 add-on in 1969. Other major options not on the tag include 6 way seat and power brakes, though pdb are standard w/A34. Any one seen a similar car without the A34 code on the FT? Yeah, I know Lynch Road is stingy on listing options, but in this case C16 (console) and V21 are listed in place of A34.
There is also a window sticker to go with the car that I'm not yet convinced is real as it has the A34 code on it, but not the V21 perf. hood paint code. Yet the V21 code appears on the fender tag. It would seem to me that one or both of these docs is probably incorrect.
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Lynch rd tags are completely different from all other plants, they show very little BUT they also show MORE , for instance the rear axle code tells you what axle it is , what ratio and whether it has drum brakes or discs brakes , doesn't tell you though it it was power drum or not.
The 644 axle code is for Dana 60 with 4.10 gears AND 10" drum brakes , the power disc brake option used 10" drums in the rear. There is no reason to put A34 on the tag because the axle code spells it out.
I'd look carefully at the fender tag to confirm it's not a repop as well as the window sticker , I assume it has no Broadcast sheet ?
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/28/10 01:38 PM
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644 = 4.10 Sure Grip, Dana 60, 10" rear drums, front disk
like John said: Lynch rd tags have less AND more info..
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/28/10 01:42 PM
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Oops; didn't read all the posts carefully enough the first time: Dan already had the 644 = A32/A34 thing (no big surprise!)   Dave
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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Thanks for all that schooling on axle code information. And yes, there is no buildsheet for the car, just the window sticker from Nissley Motors, Middletown, PA. There was such a dealership back then that also sold Nash automobiles up until 1958. The V21 code missing on the w/s could have been an oversight.
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Have you seen the window sticker ?
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/28/10 05:05 PM
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Have you seen the window sticker ?
Yes, that's why I was puzzled as to why no V21 code on it, yet it appears on the Fender Tag. Can't get an image of that to copy here either but I could send an email if interested. The photo of the w/s does look old and weathered, but that's no guarantee these days.
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/28/10 11:32 PM
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Heres my brothers original Lynch tag if this helps you any but 354 trac pac
68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X
69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X
69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F6 M6W
70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9
71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9
71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9
72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W
74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9
08 SRT Challenger #234
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/29/10 01:28 AM
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02113 183104 9A123456
__915 644 605
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___________-N96 C16----
B5 B5 P6C B5_____V21---
RS23 E86 D21 B27 152391
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It would seem to me that one or both of these docs is probably incorrect.
Since we haven't seen a picture of the tag, I just want to check somethings on the tag. Does the "V" of the V21 code start right above the "1" in the 152391 code or does it start over another number like it appears to in your layout?
What are the first two numbers on the top line?
Are the first three numbers of the next series of numbers in the 18**** range maybe close to 186***?
thanks
The V21 starts exactly over the 1st digit of the SO# which I wasn't able to show very well. The 2 upper lines are basically just like the blue tag that was posted by Mopargem. The 26 has the same placement as well. What isn't the same is the placement of the N96 C16 codes which start one character to the left of the est. build date...in this case B27....or 2 digits further left than on Mopargem's tag. The 1 in C16 is centered over the V in V21...so the V21 "sticks out" further to the right than the codes on line 3. The top line starts with 02113 183104. The fonts appear very similar to Mopargem's tag with wider ovals in the 6,8,9,0.
Eric shows a Lynch Road tag for his rally green '69 RR on ebay and that font is quite different with much smaller loops in the numbers above. But I would expect several different types of fonts from an assembly plant. The "68" code on Mopargem's tag seems to be for V68, or stripe delete. Since that's a tape stripe, not sure why it would even need to be listed. The car I'm looking at is V6R which would also have no bearing on how to paint the car.
I've sent a photo of the tag and window sticker for Dan who will post it for me. When in doubt, post the source and let the experts have a look.
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/29/10 09:56 AM
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IMO the fender tag is a reproduction
That's a repop tag most definitely. I can't remember ever seeing a Lynch rd. V21 car but other Lynch rd tags with V codes leave off the V such as stripe codes on both road runners and superbees. That window sticker shows a side stripe , V6R , the tag would most definitely have a 6R on it , it doesn't .
I'd be looking at the VIN tag closely and be weary if that car was even a legit 4 speed or super track pack car.
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/29/10 12:21 PM
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Thanks for the posting Dan, and everyone else for their inputs. I didn't get a good feeling when looking at this tag, esp. when it conflicted with the window sticker. If someone concocted those docs how stupid can they be for not having them match perfectly? It's like counterfeiting a $100 Bill but inadvertently using a $50 plate for the reverse. I'm fairly sure I saw this same car at the July Carlisle show about 8-12 yrs ago because I clearly recall viewing a massively loaded 4 spd B5 GTX that had fishy looking documentation. A '69 GTX with STP optioned as heavily as this, is very unusual and there can't be many around. Such a car, if real, could indeed be a 1 of 1. I also recall that the radiator support on that Carlisle gtx had something "odd" with it is as well. I thought it might have been tweaked (ie replaced/cut) but the seller looked at it again for me and said it was perfect with a tight fit, proper welds and body filler showing in spots. But he did mention the VIN stamping on it is one digit off from the rest of the car. Maybe that's what I recall and at the time was not aware that it could actually happen during assembly. This is probably the same car I saw years ago and with the same issues that concerned me back then. I certainly won't be taking a 3 hr drive to refresh my memory. Again, thanks to all. Here's another link to a Lynch Rd. tag and it also has the N96 in the right place as well as a stripe code listed. The larger gap above the top line is consistent with what was already said. It has different fonts than the other tags posted and is off a mostly original paint car. ebay 69RR with photo of Lynch Road fender tag RR69s
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Re: Question on Lynch Road fender tag options for 69 GTX
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09/29/10 12:25 PM
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Here's another link to a Lynch Rd. tag and it also has the N96 in the right place as well as a stripe code listed. The larger gap above the top line is consistent with what was already said. It has different fonts than the other tags posted and is off a mostly original paint car.
ebay 69RR with photo of Lynch Road fender tag
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That is a legit tag , would be nice to see one from a car with V21 to jog my memory
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Lynch Rd. put the options needed (for body-in-white) in the same location on the tag every time. .jpg){kind=link}
