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69 Road Runner spring special rallye green #813855
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Does anybody have any info on possibly how many 69 Road Runners were built with the pring special color of Rallye Green? I know production wasn't broken down by color and supposedly all records were lost but with all the numbers gurus here I was looking for a rumored estimate of how many of there were built or how many are left.

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: badblack68] #813856
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Sorry. Records weren't kept, or exist, by color for '69 so there is no way to know the answer to either question. I'm not aware of anyone keeping track of Spring Green colored cars.


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There may not be official records but Govier and others who have 69 registries can give you a breakdown of what % of listed cars are F6. Not precise, but certainly in the ball park. I'd guesstimate that 1-3% came in that color in 1969. You're probably looking at <2,000 cars built and maybe 300-500 surviving as a swag. And the actual number could be as low as 1/2 of that. To get a % from GG will cost you some money.

As unusual as the color is, you see them offered fairly consistently. With over 80,000 RR's built in 1969 that's plenty of cars to start with.

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Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: roadrunner69s] #813858
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The paint code for Rallye Green is 97.

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Aside of the discrepancy of the different greens, I think A12 F6 is more common than "regular" 97.

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: Dave Watt] #813860
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Thanks for the replies. It is a code 97 car and no, Galen won't get a dime for any information. There are two code 97 69 Runners local to me and one may come up for sale. A friend of mine may have the opportunity purchase it and posed the question to me asking if there was any way to tell how many were coded that way and a possible survival rate. Again, thanks for helping out, it's appreciated.

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: badblack68] #813861
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I know of a 97 code A12 Runner by my parents house.

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This one belongs to friend of mine, its an early production


68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X
69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X
69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F6 M6W
70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9
71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9
71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9

72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W

74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9
08 SRT Challenger #234



Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: MI_Custumz] #813863
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I know of a 97 code A12 Runner by my parents house.



Is it on the A12 Registry?

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: Dave Watt] #813864
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my old rallye green 1969 hemi car was 99 fender tag code.

St Louis plant btw, I have a copy of he build sheet around here somewhere

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I own a 97 code A12 Car
White top with black interior.

I have noticed a lot of these spring green cars have the rocker mouldings

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: Dave Watt] #813866
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The paint code for Rallye Green is 97.




Rallye Green could code 97, 97E or 99 depending on the plant and time of year. Some plants used more than one code.


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Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: Dave Watt] #813867
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I know of a 97 code A12 Runner by my parents house.



Is it on the A12 Registry?


Yes it is. Original engine, replacement trans, 4 speed, black bench interior, black vinyl top, and I believe the light package (has fender turn signals).

Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: 69CoronetRT] #813868
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MY RR'S AND GTX ARE ALL 99 CODE WERE AS MY DODGES, CHARGER,BEE'S DART ARE ALL F6! NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND THAT.

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I have spoken with Galen about the spring special colors. Not many cars were built in any of the colors. They were all optioned the same depending on whether it was a 4 speed or not. Most were coupes, not hardtops. It seems the 4 speed cars came with the fresh air hood and the autos did not. Full undercoating and tinted glass too. All had the performance axle package.

I am not sure if Galen knows about about a few RoadRunners painted Dodge F6 instead of Plymouth Spring Green. I did a color check today on the 999 green and now I understand why it does not match other 999 plymouth green Road Runners. It's F6 dodge. The "sp green" written inside the car probably means "special" green, not spring green. surprise surprise


Car in Question RM21H9G2296XX
1969 Roadrunner 2dr Coupe
999 Green -Car is Dodge F6 green.
Spd 310 Y39
VON 9010XX
Note: This is a compilation of information
MoPAR B-body spring colors DODGE &. PLYMOUTH are different:
1969 Plymouth # 99 "spring? green metallic"
-- PPG paint code # 44032
1969 Dodge # F6 "bright green metallic"
-- PPG paint code # 2103

Spring Green was a mid year release and was coded 99, 97 or 97E depending on plant and time of year. Any non standard color, that is a color that was not specifically released for that particular make and model or cars that required special painting schemes, like a cop car, will code 99 (1969 code number).

There were some colors that received special coding such as Spring Green. Early on, it appears Spring Green was coded 99. All three plants used 99, 97 or 97E depending on the plant or time of year. Bahama Yellow coded 99 early in the year then later it codes 96. LA tended to stick with the 99 code while Lynch rd plants and ST Louis used 97 or 96 for Green and Yellow/Butterscotch.

Omaha Orange was also coded 99 before the color was changed to K2. There is at least one 99 code with a blue interior and it appears the car was blue. what color the car was actually painted is unknown. Occasionally, really odd paint codes like 16 pop up.

V2 starts to show up on Super Bees in late March and on other Dodges a little later. I've seen it on 329 SPD A12 cars.

There were not A12 specific colors, with the exception of Butterscotch on A12 Super Bees
Of the 99 "normal" colors petty blue is the least common. The Saint Louis Plant used 99, 97, and 97E for Rallye Green on the tags depending on Scheduled production date
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Is this 99 built march 10th considered an early SPD? STL was very hit and miss with Y codes...seeing Y39 on 69 STL car is a little unusual. Also the VON starts with 9, not common for STL 99 paint cars, so there most be some 'story' behind the car too. STL 99 paint cars did not normally receive- the special VON or Y39 code

This car in ??? is not spring Green but is a Plymouth painted F6 (F6 was released for Dodges but not for Plymouths.) That more than likely triggered the 99 paint code and probably call for the Y39 and special VON.

What is also interesting to me is the production date verses the sold date. This car was six months old before it was sold and the new models were out.

The first owner took possession of the car in September of '69? F6 Spring Green on a Plymouth is odd.

LA used special VONs for 99 paint almost all model year (very common for LA) but St. Louis did not follow the same format. There also seems to be a high percentage of 99 cars from the LA plant compared to overall production and to other plants.

Y codes and specialty VONs are also not common on STL tags. This is the first 99/Y39/9 VON tag seen by a collector of them.

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The year 1968 was a big year for the artwork of Peter Max and the psychedelic, celluloid adventure known as Yellow Submarine. No doubt about it, the late '60s were a happening era for wild hues. Like the other car companies, Chrysler was trying to keep in step with the times, so it offered the first of its legendary High Impact Paint colors during the '69 model year. The sobriquets were memorable, the colors retina-searing, and their legacy long lasting as some HIP colors significantly add to the desirability/price of muscle Mopars.

Controversy The Fact: Code F6, Bright Green Metallic for Dodge A- and B-Bodies was first mentioned in TSB D69-23-9, dated November 27, 1968. Some sources claimed that Code 97 Rallye Green is also F6 Bright Green Metallic, but the PPG/Ditzler paint numbers are different: 2103 (F6-Bright Green Metallic) and 44032 (97-Rallye Green). The numbers from Ditzler prove that Rallye Green and Bright Green Metallic were different. Additionally, a Chrysler-issued bulletin dated January 22, 1969, listed Ditzler #43898-Rallye Green for '69 Plymouth B-Bodies (Code 99). This is the same number as the catalogued '68 Chevrolet color of Rallye Green Metallic!
As it turns out, through 1968 Ditzler used a five-digit number to identify paint colors. Typically, Ditzler used the numeral "4" as a prefix for green hues. Beginning in 1969, Ditzler went to a four-digit numbering system; however, some five-digit catalog numbers were carried over. The catalog number "2103"-for F6 Bright Green Metallic-was issued during the '69 model year-and no sooner-for '69 Dodge A- and B-Bodies. The code "44032"-Code 97 Rallye Green-was the highest five digit number Ditzler issued for passenger car applications. It was assigned to give Chrysler a specific factory application number in the Ditzler paint books. Ditzler code "43898" is currently cataloged for '68-'69 Chevrolets only.
The actual formula used to create Rallye Green for Plymouth in 1969 was the same formula used for the 1968 Chevrolet-Rallye Green Metallic.
This was not the only time a Chrysler product wore General Motors paint-the '70 Chrysler 300-Hurst's Sauterne Gold Iridescent accents were taken from the '70 Cadillac palette.
Orange (V2) and Bahama Yellow (96) followed in Dodge TSB D69-23-20. Bahama Yellow was originally meant for the "Super Bee Six Pack only." For Plymouth B-Bodies, Vitamin C Orange (K2) replaced Omaha Orange (999) on approximately February 1, 1969, as stated in TSB 69-23-18 of April 7, 1969. Depending on the circumstances, these '69 colors would be identified on the data plates as special order code 99. For example, Bahama Yellow was first catalogued for Plymouth B-Bodies in a bulletin dated January 22, 1969.
The Next Decade High Impact Paint colors were cataloged for factory availability at the start of the model year for the first time in 1970. Dodge Technical Service Bulletin D70-23-6, dated April 1, 1970, stated that "Green Go and Panther Pink" had "been released." Using the Dodge nomenclature, there was Plum Crazy Metallic (FC7), Sublime (FJ5), Go Mango (EK2), Hemi Orange (EV2), Top Banana, and Panther Pink (FM3). Availability included A-, B-, and E-Bodies. The cost was $14.05 (Dodge and Plymouth), and could be included in a two-tone combination. Interestingly, HIP colors were offered on all body styles, including station wagons and 4-door sedans. Do you know of any out there? Two-tones excluded wagons and convertibles.

One Year Gone The last big year for HIP colors was 1971. For the first time, C-Bodies had cataloged availability: Plymouth (Tor-Red), Dodge (Citronyella), and Chrysler (Lemon Twist). In 1971, Lemon Twist was supposed to be meant only for Chrysler's

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Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: ThermoQuad] #813870
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In 1971, Lemon Twist was supposed to be meant only for Chryslers




See the page at this link for the amendment;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1971/71D%20pib%203%20p1.jpg

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Could you describe the visual difference between the 69 1/2 Dodge F6 Bright Green, comared to the 1969 1/2 Plymouth 97 Rally Green? Thanks.

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Here is one that was at MATS in 2006






Re: 69 Road Runner spring special rallye green [Re: ragtop] #813873
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Could you describe the visual difference between the 69 1/2 Dodge F6 Bright Green, comared to the 1969 1/2 Plymouth 97 Rally Green? Thanks.




Yes, does anyone know if there was actually a visual difference?


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Could you describe the visual difference between the 69 1/2 Dodge F6 Bright Green, comared to the 1969 1/2 Plymouth 97 Rally Green? Thanks.




Yes, does anyone know if there was actually a visual difference?





F6 is lighter and has a yellow tint to it. To me, a nice color on it's own, however, parked next to a correctly painted rallye green car - no contest, rallye green wins.

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