Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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09/20/10 03:00 PM
09/20/10 03:00 PM
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CMcAllister
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who are you. who is roy to decide what punishment is deserved for anything, yeah the guy shouldnt have been doing it, YEAH good for roy to stop the guy, to stand up to him, BUT WHEN DOES SOMEONE CROSS THE LINE? my point of getting trained people to take care of this was to the comment that roy needed to ensure his safety, if anyone needs to go to extreme measures to ensure thier safety when other people are around, (let the guy flee, follow him and when he gets into an area say Stop Thief or something... liek all you say Roy is known, I know him from site with that 3 stooges moe haircut and dim smile, I'm sure plenty of people would have helped him subdue this guy...
its sad that people think that abiding by the law doesnt count to them when they catch someone else doing something wrong... he did wrong, so that makes it ok for someone else to do more wrong to him because, "that taught him a lesson".
FAT FAT CHECK with a couple zeros, thats the last i'm gonna say because its obvious there are people on this board that feel there should be people on horseback, roaming the country side with some rope, a gun and a good dose of vigilante justice.
With all respect, have you ever been robbed, called the police and had nothing done for you, even if you know who did it?
That kid gave up his right to be treated with respect and consideration when he broke into another persons property, regardless what the law in your locale may say. If you want to stand by, watch somebody steal your stuff and then call a "trained" person and expect them to help you, go right ahead. But I can tell you, this "don't be mean to the poor crook" mind set does nothing but embolden him to rob again, maybe from you next time.
Back to the topic. From what I know of Roy, he did indeed exercise a degree of restraint. Frankly, I would expect the same thing to have happened, maybe worse, if that kid would have been caught in any other motorhome there. BTW...posts on other forums are saying that Roy's MH was not the only one entered and other thieves were caught a short distance from the track trying to use stolen credit cards.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: chris3]
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09/20/10 04:32 PM
09/20/10 04:32 PM
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plasticfantastic
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if you see someone shop lifting does that give someone the right to go over and beat the crap out of them? if you see someone running a red light does that give someone the right to go over and run them off the road, slash a tire so they cant drive away? if you see someone breaking the law where is the line that you are allowed to act on? WHO decides that?
i'm glad that roy caught the guy stood up to him, caught him and turned him over, lets be really really clear on that, I'm not for the perp and hope the guy gets whats coming to him, but i've only been saying that roy crossed a line in what he did and this glorifying him for what he did as he crossed the line is what bothers me. ohhhh roy is a bad a--- and back in the day, blah blah blah blah...
doesnt excuse whats right and wrong now, YES he and others were wronged, but that does not mean a person has lost all rights to reasonable protection,that everyone has, against excessive force.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: hemicop]
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09/20/10 06:31 PM
09/20/10 06:31 PM
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plasticfantastic
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hemi, JEEZ, I am not saying to sit around and do nothing, I wish I could cuss here cuz its so frustrating, you have this narrow minded vision of a debate here about something, I'm not saying half the crap you and others are implying. BUT if it gets your point of view across then keep throwing it out there.
but you know what? Youre right, OK, everyone here is right, Roy was well within his rights to supposedly break his fingers, and dose him with gasoline and make terroist threats of setting him on fire if he left.. after beating the crap out of him. youre all RIGHT and I finally see the light of your wisdom, crap i bet that if roy decided to grab a hack saw and take a hand, mount it to the front of his motorhome as a would be reminder to ANYONE that even remotely thought about doing anything wrong against him, well hes within his rights as a victum, and especially because its ROY HILL and its in North Carolina and you know everyone there loves Roy... it'd be like Don Garlits blowing this guys head off at the gator nationals if it happened to him there... gosh why didnt i see it before?
thank you everyone for enlightening me...
no really, THANK YOU... isnt it time to lock this thread?
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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09/20/10 07:10 PM
09/20/10 07:10 PM
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Maybe I was born in a different neighborhood or a different city,,,but,, if I CAUGHT the guy stealing MY STUFF or ANOTHER RACECS STUFF,, I would ALSO try and beat the DAYLIGHTS out of him and PROBABLY throw WHATEVER I COULD FIND at him !!! As far as STAYING AROUND until the POLICE arrived,,, well,,, That was PRETTY STUPID if you ask me... If you BEAT up someone and are standing right next to them when FIVE-O arrives,,, EXPECT to go to jail !!!! it really doesn't matter WHAT HE DID,, you just BEAT THE GUY UP .. You are WRONG for beating the guy up... Why don't people understand that???? WANNA BE A HERO.. JOIN THE ARMY !!!!
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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09/20/10 10:28 PM
09/20/10 10:28 PM
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tubtar
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if you see someone shop lifting does that give someone the right to go over and beat the crap out of them? if you see someone running a red light does that give someone the right to go over and run them off the road, slash a tire so they cant drive away? if you see someone breaking the law where is the line that you are allowed to act on?
You conveniently ignore the personal aspects of this. You are comparing apples to golf balls with your argument. Unless I owned the store , I would certainly drop the dime on a shop lifter to a store employee. If I owned the store , I would detain them using what ever means were at my disposal. If someone ran a red light and broad sided my car , I would kick a hole in them and wear them like a snow shoe.........and blame my behavior on being knocked senseless by the impact if the need arose. The line you are looking for is the personal affront. What's mine is mine. If you ask , I would have no problem with borrowing , giving or helping. If you feel entitled to help yourself to my property , I have a problem with you. There are degrees. But breaking into my domicile , whether it is on wheels or not , will net you the sternest possible reaction form me.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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09/20/10 10:35 PM
09/20/10 10:35 PM
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Posts: 1,256 Salisbury North Carolina
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hemi, JEEZ, I am not saying to sit around and do nothing, I wish I could cuss here cuz its so frustrating, you have this narrow minded vision of a debate here about something, I'm not saying half the crap you and others are implying. BUT if it gets your point of view across then keep throwing it out there.
but you know what? Youre right, OK, everyone here is right, Roy was well within his rights to supposedly break his fingers, and dose him with gasoline and make terroist threats of setting him on fire if he left.. after beating the crap out of him. youre all RIGHT and I finally see the light of your wisdom, crap i bet that if roy decided to grab a hack saw and take a hand, mount it to the front of his motorhome as a would be reminder to ANYONE that even remotely thought about doing anything wrong against him, well hes within his rights as a victum, and especially because its ROY HILL and its in North Carolina and you know everyone there loves Roy... it'd be like Don Garlits blowing this guys head off at the gator nationals if it happened to him there... gosh why didnt i see it before?
thank you everyone for enlightening me...
no really, THANK YOU... isnt it time to lock this thread?
ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I knew you would see it our way.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: tubtar]
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09/20/10 10:53 PM
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there used to be this saying.....
"You mess with the BULL and youll get the HORN's"
not many here would walk into a pasture with a bull in it...? Why? Cause that sucker will cause you bodily harm...
if you make that mistake youll most likely not do it twice...
i have a feeling that fellow got one of those "lifes lessons"
a lesson i assure you will alter his future actions...
you cant put a price in terms of tax dollars to learn the lesson this thief just learned....
if you looking for someone to write a check?
i figure that county owes Roy the big fat Check (figuratively) imagine all the money he will save the county now that that one perp suffered some real consiquence ?...the percentages of him stealing again im sure just went WAYYYY down. hard to put a price on that..
the only line was crossed by Roy was the line where Pacifism ended..and consequence began IMHO.. cheapst
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: plasticfantastic]
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09/21/10 12:20 AM
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thats the last i'm gonna say because its obvious there are people on this board that feel there should be people on horseback, roaming the country side with some rope, a gun and a good dose of vigilante justice.
who also wish we could return to the days of not having to lock doors at night, saying hello to strangers on the street, and holding doors for women and children. As for thieves, hang em high.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
[Re: Big_Fish]
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09/21/10 12:44 AM
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