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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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Sounds like an assult charge to me ?
What gives him the authority ?
I agree with him at very least , stopping and detaining the perp but, he can't break the law ?
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 07:55 PM
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'bout time someone dished out an old fashioned beat down for this kind of thing! 
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 07:57 PM
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Sounds like an assult charge to me ?
What gives him the authority ?
I agree with him at very least , stopping and detaining the perp but, he can't break the law ?
It's called a citizen's arrest. Guy resists, gets the crap beat out of him. Pretty simple if you ask me.  
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 08:03 PM
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I'm all for someone getting roughed up for stealing but, make no mistake .. Roy Hill will end up in legal trouble over it
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 08:21 PM
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I'm all for someone getting roughed up for stealing but, make no mistake ..
Roy Hill will end up in legal trouble over it
And everyone that had their stuff stolen for the previous 2 days will line up to pay his legal bills.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 08:32 PM
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Right attorney, right jury ..
he will get allot more than legal fees for being beat up .
Sorry but, you can not take the law into your own hands unless under direct threat
Here, Texas ..You come onto my property and I catch you stealing , I can't kill you
UNLESS ..You have a weapon, any weapon and a fear for my life
Then , yes .. you can, its the law
Again , I am not on the perps side but, he can't enforce the law, he has no authority
We have police for that for a reason.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 08:40 PM
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Right attorney, right jury ..
he will get allot more than legal fees for being beat up .
Sorry but, you can not take the law into your own hands unless under direct threat
Here, Texas ..You come onto my property and I catch you stealing , I can't kill you
UNLESS ..You have a weapon, any weapon and a fear for my life
Then , yes .. you can, its the law
Again , I am not on the perps side but, he can't enforce the law, he has no authority
We have police for that for a reason.
1. He didn't kill anyone, so I don't know how you think any of that is relevant.
2. I saw Roy Hill 3 weeks ago. I seriously doubt he could beat the crap out of anyone.
You know how stories get around. I wouldn't assume anything as fact until the real story comes out. I heard about it a couple hours ago and nothing about anyone getting beat up or doused in gas was in the story I heard.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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Errr, no. Roy (in Az., anyway) has the Right to use enough force to detain a person he sees comitting a crime. That includes a third party. The issue then becomes: what IS enough force? Since Roy is an "older gentleman" & I'm assuming the suspect is younger & therefore (a reasonable person would assume)in better physical condition, the issue of "disparity of force" comes in, in which case one has to ask if what he did was reasonable. Given you can't (reasonably) expect an older man to sustain a physical confrontation with a healthier, younger individual, I would say (if I were Roy) the gas-dousing was done to actually intimidate the individual and therefore reasonable and let the Courts decide if I was "reasonable"  in my behavior. My guess is the cops that showed up had a good laugh over it & let Roy go.......
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 09:17 PM
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I see your side BigDad,but if it were me I'd have beat the snot out of him too.The gasoline is heresay,nobody knows how much was poured if any.  Either way the knucklehead will think twice about stealing again. Nobody has any right to be on anyones property or messing with their stuff irregardless,law or no law.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 09:49 PM
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The person doing the crime is a misguided youth and he is your son ..
The kid does something stupid
Roy DOES dump fuel on him and someone sparks it off and he goes up
If that did happen (someone gets burned to death for stealing), it is a bit extreme and the person who did the burning would have to pay the price. I think most reasonable people would not light the match even with a gas soaked thief in front of them.
Now I'd say UNLESS you are one of the few people who care about the perp (family etc.) you wouldn't certainly condone death for stealing but you may think he was doing risky behavior by sneaking around stealing things, so whatever bad things happen to him are pretty much his own doing.
He is putting himself in a very volatile situation by choosing to take other people's things, so who can really predict or dictate what bad could happen to him (in the wide range of bad things, from getting pepper sprayed, to being beaten, burned, killed etc.). There is no way for him or anyone to predict what will happen to him, it all just comes with the territory. If he dies, well that is extreme, but he was in extreme territory and he chose to put himself there.
He didn't die, didn't get burned, and hopefully learned a valuable lesson.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 10:27 PM
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I would have done the same thing to them or worse.... Found said idiot in my trailor and he came at me when I entered and we spilled a gas can when we fell to the ground and tuseled, sounds like self defense to me. Who's a jury to believe, the scum bag theiven [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] or the guy who found him stealing? Personally, I would have found the biggest thing in the trailor hanging off the wall and crushed him with it....Self defense, pure and simple.
I have been a veryhonest person all my life. I have gone to small claims court on two seperate occasions for property of mine. In both cases, the other party lied thru their teeth and won. I have now learned, if there is no evidence to say otherwise, LIE.....Cause that's what they are going to do and nothing matters but winning the case.
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 10:41 PM
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I would have done the same thing to them or worse.... Found said idiot in my trailor and he came at me when I entered and we spilled a gas can when we fell to the ground and tuseled, sounds like self defense to me. Who's a jury to believe, the scum bag theiven [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] or the guy who found him stealing? Personally, I would have found the biggest thing in the trailor hanging off the wall and crushed him with it....Self defense, pure and simple.
I have been a veryhonest person all my life. I have gone to small claims court on two seperate occasions for property of mine. In both cases, the other party lied thru their teeth and won. I have now learned, if there is no evidence to say otherwise, LIE.....Cause that's what they are going to do and nothing matters but winning the case.
As I understand the OP it was not his trailer
Plus and I have some experiance in protecting ones property
For Info you do this and the wrong person may indeed be in jail but ..carry on
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Re: Roy Hill doing Police work at ZMAX.....
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09/18/10 11:07 PM
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My understanding is that Roy found the perp inside his motor home. I'm obviously dealing with second or third hand info, and I'm not claiming to have 100% accurate info. Here is another thread on another board... web page
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