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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: Moneypit6] #802919
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These are very similar to stock 18 spline ratios. We are still kicking around a steeper first gear, but not really sure about it. Just due to the cost of building something like this, I am not sure that we are going to be able to make a one off steep first gear. Not out of the question, but just not right away.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802920
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Jamie, sure am glad you're tooling these up. Just what I'm needing for my hemi challenger w/ 3.73's. Didn't want to go the Keisler route. What do you think the cost would be? I'd sell my 18 spline 4spd & recoup some of the cost. Also, thanks for the fast shipping on my seal kit. Buzz

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: Triggerfish] #802921
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Any thoughts on what a realistic timeframe for these hitting production might be? Mid 2011 maybe..?

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: bp27] #802922
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You planning on running a 2.26 rear gear or something? 2.65 first gear is fine, anything lower is getting into granny gear territory.




Really I run 3.09 first with 4.10 rear and I like the way the car launches




I bet it launches great and teaching your wife/kid to drive a stick with that setup is easier, but i also bet the shift to 2nd is quick at WOT. It's all in the balance, I have a 65 Cuda with 3.55 gears and relatively short (~26") tires. I don't need, or want a 3.09 first gears. If I still had my 64 300 with the 4.10 gears and 28" tall tires I still wouldn't want the 3.09 gears, but my cars are al street oriented, not strip.


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #802923
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At this point, I am feeling that a realistic time frame is mid 2011. As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion. We will also work with people taking A-833 cores for credit toward the 5 speed trans if they are interested.
Thanks,
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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802924
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Jamie, what are you doing as far as a shifter goes?


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802925
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At this point, I am feeling that a realistic time frame is mid 2011. As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion. We will also work with people taking A-833 cores for credit toward the 5 speed trans if they are interested.
Thanks,
Jamie





sweet. can't wait to see this thing. already put pedals in my dart just need a trans now.


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: 69hemibeep] #802926
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Thanks for the timing update, that's about what I was thinking. I think the mcleod transmission must be quite a bit behind schedule too because I thought last winter they were saying summer 2010 and that never happened. Will be interesting to read what kind of power theirs will take compared to yours. I'm sure yours will come out on top of their overseas made unit.

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Jamie, what are you doing as far as a shifter goes?




I thought he already said in this thread or somewhere else that the shifter mechanisim will be part of the transmission with the handle being a bolt-on of your choice.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802927
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At this point, I am feeling that a realistic time frame is mid 2011. As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion. We will also work with people taking A-833 cores for credit toward the 5 speed trans if they are interested.
Thanks,
Jamie




This is great news.
I would definitely be interested in a transmission like this and I have three A-833 cores ready to go.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: KillerBee] #802928
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Maybe I missed something, but you are using 833 cases?

It will ALL fit inside? And OEM shifter location is retained?

Would be nice if it can handle at least 600ft-lb of tq.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #802929
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Maybe I missed something, but you are using 833 cases?

It will ALL fit inside? And OEM shifter location is retained?

Would be nice if it can handle at least 600ft-lb of tq.




i dont think so....

he says he will receive 4 speed cores as part payment because he can always use some cores to rebuild and re sell....its his business...

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: domingo] #802930
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Domingo is correct. This is an entirely new case. We have designed it though to retain all the critical dimensions necessary to not require modifications to the car.
We will take the A-833 cores because we will still continue to do 4 speed stuff as well. We have no intention on stopping that. As for a shifter, this will be an external shifter. Same arrangement as your original factory piece. Obviously internally different due to the need for 5th gear. However, we plan on building these with the appropriate tower to accept a press in shifter handle as well as a bolt handle. The customer will make this decision when they order the trans. The Stage 1 trans will be able to handle close to 600 lb/ft of torque CONTINUOUS. Of course, more than that in bursts. With the Stage 2 unit, 600 lb/ft of torque CONTINUOUS will not be a problem at all.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802931
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Good Luck Jamie, sounds like a cool deal!
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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: jake4cars] #802932
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I'm sold...and since I'm far from my the need to get a trans (need more body work), I can wait until next year.

Keisler can keep their trans for GM cars...


Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802933
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As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion.




Jamie, is that lower cost going to be driven primarily by the need to change fewer parts? I'm going to be doing an A/T to stick conversion. Do you think it will still work out to less than the Keisler auto to stick conversion? Will you be offering any "packages" to support that sort of conversion?


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802934
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I bet this trans will be very popular. The ratios are perfect for most cars. I bet a person could do the swap in a couple hours if they had an existing 4 speed.

My only complaint is you didn't do this 5 years ago.
Good Luck!!

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As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion.




Jamie, is that lower cost going to be driven primarily by the need to change fewer parts? I'm going to be doing an A/T to stick conversion. Do you think it will still work out to less than the Keisler auto to stick conversion? Will you be offering any "packages" to support that sort of conversion?




Good point. If you need a crossmember, driveshaft, it may come out the same.

And for conversions...cost of things like bellhousings and clutch...those are all extra anyways w/either kit.

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As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion.




Jamie, is that lower cost going to be driven primarily by the need to change fewer parts? I'm going to be doing an A/T to stick conversion. Do you think it will still work out to less than the Keisler auto to stick conversion? Will you be offering any "packages" to support that sort of conversion?




Good point. If you need a crossmember, driveshaft, it may come out the same.

And for conversions...cost of things like bellhousings and clutch...those are all extra anyways w/either kit.





Generally a complete conversion kit from Keisler to go from auto to stick, complete driveshaft, transmission crossmember, transmission mount, bellhousing, clutch, pressure plate, flywheel, shifter/shifter boot, hyd TOB assy, hyd master cylinder, all the assy hardware, pedals, and of course the transmission TKO 600 5 spd .064 .68, or.82 OD is approx. $4400 to $4700 depending on the application,....you could delete the hyd TOB and save $500 if you prefer mechanical linkage


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: MadMatt] #802937
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As for cost, we are shooting for less than a "typical" Keisler conversion.




Jamie, is that lower cost going to be driven primarily by the need to change fewer parts? I'm going to be doing an A/T to stick conversion. Do you think it will still work out to less than the Keisler auto to stick conversion? Will you be offering any "packages" to support that sort of conversion?




The m/t specific stuff is not cheap. You're looking a few hundred bucks for a used bell housing if you want a big block unit and/or a blow-proof unit. Few hundred for a decent clutch, couple hundred for a clutch pedal setup, then the linkage, shifter, blah blah blah it goes on and on. I'm in the process of a auto->4sp conversion and the $$ add up fast on this stuff and I've been scrounging for used parts.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802938
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.....600 lb/ft of torque should not be a problem at all.




600 lb/ft? I was hoping it would handle somewhere in the 700lb/ft range. I've got 680b/ft with a relatively mild, hydraulicly cammed 493 inch motor. Do you think that your new transmission will handle it ok?


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