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Re: No more blocks? [Re: HEMIDARTS] #797927
09/13/10 08:34 PM
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An endeavor such as having your own block poured is no small order by any means.
Kent has a a level of drive and tenacity I have seen in very few people.
Couldnt imagine what its like in a big corp trying to get something like that accomplished.
The politics and smoozing would be tremendous.
Koffels went thru some trials too I'm sure.
Maybe Scott or Rich could share... or maybe not.
Why dwell on past aggravations, life way too short.

Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797928
09/13/10 10:15 PM
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I wasn't part of that process. I watched it happen but wasn't as integrated into other departments as today.

I'll be glad to do some detective work on the rumor, and will ask around.

There have been so many "I can't get a block" posts that I've replied to with how many were in inventory and how to order it, etc. In those cases the seller was clueless, and this appeared to be another one of those posts.

If you could post or PM where you heard that rumor, it would help quite a bit? If you can't, I would understand that also. Without an origin, it's hard to know where to start.

Re: No more blocks? [Re: ZIPPY] #797929
09/13/10 10:31 PM
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Zippy you are the man!!! Thanks for helping us out on here!!

Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797930
09/13/10 11:33 PM
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An endeavor such as having your own block poured is no small order by any means.
Kent has a a level of drive and tenacity I have seen in very few people.
Couldnt imagine what its like in a big corp trying to get something like that accomplished.
The politics and smoozing would be tremendous.
Koffels went thru some trials too I'm sure.
Maybe Scott or Rich could share... or maybe not.
Why dwell on past aggravations, life way too short.





100 million % (even if your the one thats making the casting) It is very refreshing to see when people take the time to try and understand everything involved in it....one way I try to describe it to people is that its like building a car from the ground up, you put all of your time, money, heart and blood into it and sometimes even neglect relationships in order to get it done. But in this case not only is it a reflection of your craftsmenship but also determines your future (both reputation and livelihood)....its a lot to chew!

Re: No more blocks? [Re: EchoSixMike] #797931
09/14/10 12:33 AM
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Regarding availability of Aluminum HEMI/440 Blocks
I didn’t want this to sound like a sales pitch but I didn’t know any other way to put it. I’ve read that there may be an issue getting Iron HEMI and/or 440 blocks. Just so you know our production is picking up and the foundry has been getting more cores made for our KB Aluminum Street HEMI/440 and the low deck 440 blocks. If anyone would like to order a block that can handle 2,500 HP + please let me know. I know its overkill for a street engine but it’s the only way we make them. We have been very close to making an Iron HEMI block several times but after looking at all of the problems this would create we decided to wait for a more opportune time, too many issues to go into here. Lead time is approximately 6 weeks and current price is $5,150 for a “Race Ready” block with head studs, nuts and washers (all ARP by the way including the main studs and nuts), cam bearings installed, and no additional machine work required. If you have any questions just give me a call. Thanks for reading.
Ken Black
562-869-1518

Re: No more blocks? [Re: KB RACING ENG] #797932
09/14/10 12:54 AM
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Ken, you guys (KB) make the nicest alloy block around. The wedge I bought from you last year was flawless and the guy in NZ who has it now is thrilled.

I needed a FE block this last go-round and picked up a hemi (P5153942-W) from a buddy here with a machine shop that wanted to get into the world engine builder program and the only way was for him to get a block from world to me. The block is rough bored 4.24" and looks to be a nice piece except for the non-ARP, no name, main studs.

I tried to justify an alloy block for the street build of my 64 Savoy but it just didn't seem to make sense.

I'm really glad that KB seems to be doing well. I met your dad when I was racing with a bunch of guys out of the Downey Service Center back in the day. Nice guy and very down to earth, friendly to the younguns in that area. I always said that when I could afford it, I'd buy a KB block for my race car.

Anyway, good wishes to you and if I ever build another race car, you can rest assured that I'll buy another KB block in a heartbeat.

Chuck Emery aka snook in NSS circles...

Re: No more blocks? [Re: snook] #797933
09/14/10 01:01 AM
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I have a KB in my car , I have no idea why anyone would buy anything else .Good stuff



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Re: No more blocks? [Re: KB RACING ENG] #797934
09/14/10 01:18 AM
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Ken,

I need to give you a call. I need a low deck street wedge block for an upcoming project.

Andy

Re: No more blocks? [Re: KB RACING ENG] #797935
09/14/10 07:56 AM
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Regarding availability of Aluminum HEMI/440 Blocks
I didn’t want this to sound like a sales pitch but I didn’t know any other way to put it. I’ve read that there may be an issue getting Iron HEMI and/or 440 blocks. Just so you know our production is picking up and the foundry has been getting more cores made for our KB Aluminum Street HEMI/440 and the low deck 440 blocks. If anyone would like to order a block that can handle 2,500 HP + please let me know. I know its overkill for a street engine but it’s the only way we make them. We have been very close to making an Iron HEMI block several times but after looking at all of the problems this would create we decided to wait for a more opportune time, too many issues to go into here. Lead time is approximately 6 weeks and current price is $5,150 for a “Race Ready” block with head studs, nuts and washers (all ARP by the way including the main studs and nuts), cam bearings installed, and no additional machine work required. If you have any questions just give me a call. Thanks for reading.
Ken Black
562-869-1518




Class act in my book. I have no problem spending the extra money for quality parts and services done by quality people.

Re: No more blocks? [Re: torkrules] #797936
09/14/10 11:49 AM
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Love my KB block.....


"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."

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Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797937
09/14/10 10:00 PM
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Thanks Zippy! I have 4 P5153860 Blocks in stock! Recheck your DealerConnect site. By the way if anybody wants a block "that is available" I will sell them for $300.00 over cost.

Re: No more blocks? [Re: the_hard_way] #797938
09/15/10 11:31 AM
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I wonder if there are any more part numbers, that are available, that are not showing up in the dealers inventories.

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Re: No more blocks? [Re: KB RACING ENG] #797939
09/15/10 11:45 AM
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Quote:

Regarding availability of Aluminum HEMI/440 Blocks
I didn’t want this to sound like a sales pitch but I didn’t know any other way to put it. I’ve read that there may be an issue getting Iron HEMI and/or 440 blocks. Just so you know our production is picking up and the foundry has been getting more cores made for our KB Aluminum Street HEMI/440 and the low deck 440 blocks. If anyone would like to order a block that can handle 2,500 HP + please let me know. I know its overkill for a street engine but it’s the only way we make them. We have been very close to making an Iron HEMI block several times but after looking at all of the problems this would create we decided to wait for a more opportune time, too many issues to go into here. Lead time is approximately 6 weeks and current price is $5,150 for a “Race Ready” block with head studs, nuts and washers (all ARP by the way including the main studs and nuts), cam bearings installed, and no additional machine work required. If you have any questions just give me a call. Thanks for reading.
Ken Black
562-869-1518




for those who have not done reasearch on costs that price is as good as it gets. it is near dead even with what you will spend for others when you add in all the machine work and hardware. plus it will withstand more HP


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Re: No more blocks? [Re: HEMIFRED] #797940
09/15/10 11:59 AM
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You would spend more from Indy "finished" and the quality isn't even close IMO. I ahev 2 of them (KB's) and they are sweet. Dealing with KB is easy too. I would have bought my last block from them too, but the wait was too long. I hear they are doing better in that regard, so as several have said, why would you buy anything else?

Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797941
02/10/11 07:19 PM
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So...
Now whats the story?
Been a few months since last discussed.

Let me guess...

Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797942
02/12/11 02:05 AM
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My new Keith Black low deck alum block is finished and Ken should be shipping very soon...

Can't wait!

I was lied to by my last engine builder that KB was not making blocks anymore, so they sold me an Indy maxx block... Very poor oil drain back as delivered. Beware!!!!

I am building a 557ci this time and hoping for better luck.

Cheers,

Arnie


67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...) 70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
Re: No more blocks? [Re: Explodo] #797943
02/12/11 09:16 AM
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Quote:

What about aluminum blocks? What's the story on those right now?




Big thread on main cap stud/bolt torque issues. I wouldn't touch one. You can't replace main cap bolts/studs without re-line honing.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: No more blocks? [Re: Dragula] #797944
02/14/11 01:28 PM
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Word on the street: iron castings (from the same foundry as before) have arrived at the same metro Detroit area machine shop as before. They've got a bunch of work to do. It shouldn't be much longer before they're back in stock.

take heart...it should only be a few more weeks barring any major catastrophes.

So....it seems like the dry spell was pretty darn short, and I'm happy to mention the info above

Now that I've dug into it and understand it better....unfortunately I can't go into the exact reasons why this had to happen, but can state this change will go a long, long way towards improving customer service.


Rich H.

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Re: No more blocks? [Re: ZIPPY] #797945
02/14/11 10:24 PM
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Thanks for the update.
Hope it comes to fruition.

Re: No more blocks? [Re: theclutcher] #797946
03/04/11 04:28 PM
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Been keeping an eye on them for awhile, looks like they've begun to roll out.

The 3944Ab rough bore Wedge has 21 backorders, and the system shows 4 in transit from the machine shop as of 3/2....order fulfillment has begun.

That's the first one I can see movement on from here,
Shouldn't be much longer to clean up backorders and get back to normal stock levels.


Rich H.

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