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I think I understand what you're thinking, but some of the things you're talking about aren't rare, they just simply didn't exist.

For example, the orange houndstooth interior wasn't around until 1971, and therefore not possible on an SE in 1970.

There were orange longitudinal stripes, but again, not until 1971. It's a neat idea, but I wouldn't combine options that weren't even possible, or for a different year.

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Saying it is a late 1970 and you could get all the 1971 options magically is too far of a stretch. That's a square peg in a round hole.

Similar idea to those Canadian 71 Challengers with rubber bumpers and wide hood molding. Those two options could not be ordered together.

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I think I understand what you're thinking, but some of the things you're talking about aren't rare, they just simply didn't exist.

For example, the orange houndstooth interior wasn't around until 1971, and therefore not possible on an SE in 1970.

There were orange longitudinal stripes, but again, not until 1971. It's a neat idea, but I wouldn't combine options that weren't even possible, or for a different year.

For me, it would be all about the colors. With the V9* painted stripe, the possibilities for a 70 Challenger are almost endless. How about FE5 with a V9Y yellow stripe, and a red interior, or EB7 with a V9V orange stripe and black painted top?

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The idea is to replicate bizarre assemblies or what could have been.

For example: Iggy's black on orange 1971 Dodge Demon 340. Built from the factor with a 1972 interior in a 1971 car. Even more interesting is the car has a T/A 340 block from the factory. The car features a few more '72 model parts.

Bizarre car's such as this do exist. Im not building a concours restored car. I am trying to display some of the unique assemblies that could have left Chrysler assembley lines.

If Iggy's Demon could be built with a next year '72 interior, why couldnt a '70 Challenger have a '71 interior or '71 stripes?

Chrysler assembled alot of unique bizarre cars with parts from the year previous or the next with odd options, ect.

There is a quote I read from the article about Iggy's Demon. It reads "Never-say-never when it comes to something Chrysler couldn't have built"

Think of Iggy's car in regards to what I am trying to replicate.

Putting different year interior options in a car that is only less than a year apart is not that far fetched as it sounds. The Demon proves that. And as far as I am concerned, that Demon IS A RARE car because of its unique one of a kind items. You deffinately will not find another one like it.

I am sure there are many more unique cars such as Iggy's Demon that I am not aware of as I am only 23 years old. I am just a young buck still wet behind the ears! But I love these kinds of Mopars! I dont have the money to buy a Hemi Challenger and if I did I sure would not alter it in any way. So if not a Hemi Challenger, why not build a car displaying what I love about Mopars the most being the unique options and bizarre combinations.

On an interesting note, the green floral Mod Top was meant to be available in 1970 but was not. What if it had been? Thats the idea behind my thinking.

I also want to build this car to hopefully one day compete in F.A.S.T!

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Louvers could be put on Challengers without Vinyl tops. Here is a picture of the car I decribed in my above post minus the Sun Roof and Rubber Bumpers and a color changes.It is an original Louver no vinyl top car.

Also I know of only one Cuda that was built with both a rear window louver and a luggage rack. Chrysler states that this was not to be built, and I believe this was because the luggage rack would hit the louver.

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Louvers could be put on Challengers without Vinyl tops. Here is a picture of the car I decribed in my above post minus the Sun Roof and Rubber Bumpers and a color changes.It is an original Louver no vinyl top car.

Also I know of only one Cuda that was built with both a rear window louver and a luggage rack. Chrysler states that this was not to be built, and I believe this was because the luggage rack would hit the louver.

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Another example of what "could not" be done but was obviously built.

The car is not supposed to represent what you could have order from the dealership by checking of the options list but rather how Chrysler very well could have built a car with different year items/options with "left overs" from another model year into the next production run such as the Demon mentioned above.

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Some R/T Challengers left the factory with T/A hoods as well. How odd is that?

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I also want to build this car to hopefully one day compete in F.A.S.T!

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FAST racing, the first two letters represent Factory Appearing, right?

You may want to read their rule book, if you start adding 1971 bits or non-1970 options like a mod top they may not allow you to race?

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What were you saying about vinyl tops and louvers?

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Interesting Challenger R/T badge placement on the decklid...

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'71 Challenger R/T - Go Mango, 440-6, 4-speed w/console, 3:54 Dana, black shaker, elastomeric bumpers, white vinyl top, black R/T stripes, rear window louvers, rear go-wing, PS, PDB, PW, Sunroof, AM/FM stereo, rallye gauges, white interior, rear defroster, light group, 15x7" rallys, space saver spare, CA. emissions. What did I leave out? Rear shoulder belts???

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'71 Challenger R/T - Go Mango, 440-6, 4-speed w/console, 3:54 Dana, black shaker, elastomeric bumpers, white vinyl top, black R/T stripes, rear window louvers, rear go-wing, PS, PDB, PW, Sunroof, AM/FM stereo, rallye gauges, white interior, rear defroster, light group, 15x7" rallys, space saver spare, CA. emissions. What did I leave out? Rear shoulder belts???

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Seeing this pic of Steve Juliano's Challenger reminds me: wide front moulding pkg., hood pins and front spoiler tips.

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Was the SE model available in '71?

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the option of the T/A hood?

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What Demon are you talking about? I follow those pretty closely and am not familiar with it. Got any pics of the car and fender tag?

The Louvers are a bad example as well, I've seen dozens of non vinyl top Challengers with louvers over the years.

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Some R/T Challengers left the factory with T/A hoods as well. How odd is that?

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Not very odd at all when you consider that the T/A hood was advertised in the factory literature and had it's own option code (N94)

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Was the SE model available in '71?

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The small back window was available. It wasn't a separate model like '70. It was OPTION code A78 - "formal roof package".

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the option of the T/A hood?

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The N94 "T/A" hood is another '71 OPTION.

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T/A hood or shaker for a six pack car...

I really wanted to gator grain vinyl!

It would make more sense to start with a '71.

Its still possible that a '70 could be built with a '71 interior.

Basically it comes down to the gator grain top and colour of the stripes for each year. everything else it seems could be had on a '71 model.

If I did a 70' model the stripes could be a black or white I suppose. But the interior Is not available. STILL, it was possible!

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The Demon was a feature car in Mopar Colectors Magazine. It competes in f.a.s.t. The owners name is Iggy. Dave Dudek assembled the engine. Heres a link to the engine build up with some facts about the car. T/A block, orange '72 interior in a '71, black stripes on black paint.

http://bfastracingmessageboard.runboard.com/t352,offset=0

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1) Louvers were available with or without vinyl tops. But if it had a vinyl top it had to be black.

2 I'm not following you. Seems like you are making a big deal about nothing here. You want to make up a rare or unique car, so just do it. What does it matter that it could/couldn't be available? It's not a factory car anyways. You'd put 71 stripes on a 70 and then worry that you couldn't get a certain color or top or interior?

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I see your point about my concern with different options for each year. That being said, I will try and be more clear what what I am trying to decide upon.

Ok, the idea is to build the car for a specific time period. I am leaning more towards early 1971 because it could have been built with the features I desire except the gator top.

I got the idea of mixing a FEW different year items from the Demon I mentioned in an earlier post. That car was built BY THE FACTORY in late '71 which is why it has the '72 interior. The car was not optioned this way. Here is a quote from the article:

"Perhaps most interesting of all, this was not a special order car or a "sold car," but was a generic sales bank car sent out to an unknown dealership in Southern Florida when new. So, as bizarre as this one is, apparently, they were just using up leftover '71 parts and getting these things out the door so they could start building the slightly different '72 models."

So basically I am trying to replicate a "sales bank" car.

That is the idea behind putting different year features on the car from the next or previous year depending which year I decide to build. Example, '71 year with a '70 "leftover" gator top. Or, 70' body with '71 interior. Make sense now?

The reason I am so concerned about mixing and matching different parts/options/features is because some options were not available until a specific time of production. If the car had been built in the right time of the production year, its possible it could have left the factory like Iggy's Demon with mixed parts.

Also, not everyone wanted the rare options that would have been available in 1970. Chrysler did not produce these parts as they were ordered for each car. That wouldn't make sense. They were likely produced in bulk. Now, as the Demon clearly displays, these leftover parts could have been thrown into the next year models to simpley rid of them and make room for the next production run.

I am still trying to make sense of how I want to build the car myself! I do not know all the options available for each year of the specific dates to which they are available. I am only asking for input of what were rare options that could be included in the build.

Sure, its not a factory car. But the IDEA is that IT HAS BEEN DONE.

I know to some of you it may be but its one of the things I love about Mopars. The Mod Top vinyl roofs, the wild colours, and the bizarra assemblies such as the Demon. Steve Juliano owns a Mod Top 'Cuda with a Hemi. Its an odd colour combination but I LOVE IT.

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1) Louvers were available with or without vinyl tops. But if it had a vinyl top it had to be black.

2 I'm not following you. Seems like you are making a big deal about nothing here. You want to make up a rare or unique car, so just do it. What does it matter that it could/couldn't be available? It's not a factory car anyways. You'd put 71 stripes on a 70 and then worry that you couldn't get a certain color or top or interior?

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Start with a 4-speed 1970 Challenger Convertible, paint it TX9 Black, black top, 426 Hemi, N96 OR N94, H6XV hemi orange interior, power windows, Rallyes, bumblebee orange tail stripe. Challenger T/A big and little Polyglas GTs front and rear - 'cause you "had 'em swap them at the dealer off a new T/A in '70", H25 heater delete because it was Hawaii-bound, radio delete because it was going to be a race car but plans changed.

call it a day.

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I like it! Not a fan of convertibles but, a hard top would look pretty nice! Thanks!

I have seen an orange on orange E-body in my area. I have not seen the car for a few years. Not sure it is even around anymore. I believe it also had a sun roof. Cool car!

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Louvers could be put on Challengers without Vinyl tops. Here is a picture of the car I decribed in my above post minus the Sun Roof and Rubber Bumpers and a color changes.It is an original Louver no vinyl top car.

Also I know of only one Cuda that was built with both a rear window louver and a luggage rack. Chrysler states that this was not to be built, and I believe this was because the luggage rack would hit the louver.

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Another example of what "could not" be done but was obviously built.

The car is not supposed to represent what you could have order from the dealership by checking of the options list but rather how Chrysler very well could have built a car with different year items/options with "left overs" from another model year into the next production run such as the Demon mentioned above.

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One or two changover deals, sure. But whipping out the 71 Challeger option guide on top of a 1970 is a bit rediculous.

Just build a 71 Challenger R/T.

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Some R/T Challengers left the factory with T/A hoods as well. How odd is that?

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That was an option. N94.

You should read all the dealer info available over at http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/library.shtml

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Also, whats the deal with the fixed rear quarter glass?

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I was refering to 1971 Challengers in regards to the N94 T/A hood. The option was available in 1970, but in 1971 it was not according to the link you provided. Only N96 shaker hood was an option. Supposedly 3 or so 1971 Challengers left the factory with N94 T/A hoods. I can not recall where I gathered that information but I will try to source it. Again this is odd, but not impossible considering the T/A was supposed to be an option in 1971 but was discontinued. Would be rare to find a 1971 Challenger with N94 T/A hood considering no T/A's were supposed to be built. What do you guys think? Anyone have any information that could clear this up?

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Also, whats the deal with the fixed rear quarter glass?

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You could get an A93 coupe with shaker, sunroof, rubber bumpers, wings, louvers... Just like you could on a regualar Challenger.

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I had a rare Challenger for 20 years. FM3 R/T, pink stripes, rear spoiler, Am8trk, 15X7 rallyes, rocker moldings to name a few. I'd order that same car but add window louvers and of course a 26er under the shaker hood.

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Here's a fantasy build 71 Challenger R/T

-E74 Hemi
-D21 4 speed
-FJ6 Green Go
-VJ6 Lime R/T stripe
-N94 T/A hood
-M51 Sunroof
-V1X Black Vinyl top
-A22 Front and rear rubber bumpers
-A45 Front and Rear spoilers
-G36 Painted Mirrors
-A44 Rear louvers
-H5F7 dark green with green hounds-tooth interior (not recommended/ with FJ6 or not allowed?) If not H5XX Black Hounds-tooth
-A33 Track Pack
-B41 Disk brakes
-S77 Power Steering
- Tuff Steering Wheel
-R36 AM/FM with cassette
-P31 Power Windows
-J41 Pedal drees up
-J25 Hood pins
-A01 Light group
-C62 6-way seat

Second variation on that would be with EV2 paint, Orange R/T stripe, and orange hounds-tooth interior.

*No rocker panel, door edge, or A46 molding group because it's busy enough looking allready. It would break up the "painted out" theme.

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A22 is a Barracuda code, not Challenger

I think Challenger is M73 and it's not list on the fender tag

I do like your choices

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Here's a fantasy build 71 Challenger R/T

-E74 Hemi
-D21 4 speed
-FJ6 Green Go
-VJ6 Lime R/T stripe
-N94 T/A hood
-M51 Sunroof
-V1X Black Vinyl top
-A22 Front and rear rubber bumpers
-A45 Front and Rear spoilers
-G36 Painted Mirrors
-A44 Rear louvers
-H5F7 dark green with green hounds-tooth interior (not recommended/ with FJ6 or not allowed?) If not H5XX Black Hounds-tooth
-A33 Track Pack
-B41 Disk brakes
-S77 Power Steering
- Tuff Steering Wheel
-R36 AM/FM with cassette
-P31 Power Windows
-J41 Pedal drees up
-J25 Hood pins
-A01 Light group
-C62 6-way seat

Second variation on that would be with EV2 paint, Orange R/T stripe, and orange hounds-tooth interior.

*No rocker panel, door edge, or A46 molding group because it's busy enough looking allready. It would break up the "painted out" theme.

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A22 is a Barracuda code, not Challenger

I think Challenger is M73 and it's not list on the fender tag

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My bad. There are codes for front only and front and rear together rubber bumpers. Are they both M prefix codes?

Just fastasy building a "weido" triple color car. The 70/71 colored side stripe are cool. Could do the same with EV2, orange 71 stripes, and orange houndstooth interior.

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Since it's an old thread, I hope the original poster won't mind if I hijack it!

New guidlines,... Any 70-74 Challenger with most possible rare features. Car won't be raced, so performance is not an issue, and I don't care if it looks tacky or overly busy. Think of it like a dealer demonstration car showing off rare options/features. That means the car must have been able to be factory built according to the engineering diagrams. None of that wierd stuff like factory errors, leftover parts, dealer modifications, or options that weren't allowed to be together.

Let's see what we can come up with.

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Alright, since I'm going for unique, I'm going to start with a 1970 Challenger. The 70 Challenger has several dash pieces that are unique and not used on the later cars.

Rarest engine is probably the 198 6 cylinder, & rarest color is probably 999. I've got to have rear seat shoulder belts. Hmm, where to start? this is going to take some thinking...

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Hi Diego, Great to see you here.

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But I'm always here!

Anyway, It's strange that Barry did not respond - it's not like him.

Shoot me an email and it'll remind me to search through my files at a better time.

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... What other interesting colors combinations can you think of?

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Rarest engine is probably the 198 6 cylinder

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rarest color is probably 999

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After thinking about it, using the 999 paint code is sort of like cheating. Maybe we shouldn't use the codes that let us make up anything we'd like.

No 999 paint, Z special order engine digit in the VIN, D49 special order transmission, or D69 special order axle. I've seen all but one of these on real E bodies, but lets don't be silly.

I don't want to build the '70 Challenger SE w/BOSS 429 power & paint it "LeMans Blue" that Dan mentioned earlier in this thread.

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What other interesting colors combinations can you think of?

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TX9 paint
9T Tan bumble bee stripe
Tan interior
FT6 two tone top......

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TX9 paint
9T Tan bumble bee stripe
Tan interior
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Now you're thinkin'!

While everyone is building purple Challengers,

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What do you mean by this? The Challenger convertible i'm building,was FC7 from the factory,am I supposed to paint it a different color,just because everyone is building purple clones?

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Those would be beautiful V02 color combinations, but the code guide I'm looking at says interior on V02 cars should match the lower paint color. (black in your examples)

I like the idea of the V02. It's more rare than the Gator Grain top. Anybody know how many 70 Challengers had a factory M51 Sun Roof?

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Why do the same, old same-old when there's a whole 'nother world out there?

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IMHO it's just more stunning if the interior matches one of the exterior colors (stripe or top).

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I can't begrudge an original FC7 car.

Especially with a V9Y stripe, although even those are starting to get tiring.

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I have a FC7 383 two barrel 70 Vert with air, with white interior and top, I added a V9W white Bumble Bee Stripe to the rear, according to the chart posted it looks like you could only get the V9Y Stripe? WOW I thought for sure you could get a white rump stripe.

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I have a FC7 383 two barrel 70 Vert with air, with white interior and top, I added a V9W white Bumble Bee Stripe to the rear, according to the chart posted it looks like you could only get the V9Y Stripe? WOW I thought for sure you could get a white rump stripe.

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I think it's an issue of the chart being poorly done because obviously white or black stripes go with any color. I didn't notice this before.

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I can't begrudge an original FC7 car.

Especially with a V9Y stripe, although even those are starting to get tiring.

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I have a FC7 383 two barrel 70 Vert with air, with white interior and top, I added a V9W white Bumble Bee Stripe to the rear, according to the chart posted it looks like you could only get the V9Y Stripe? WOW I thought for sure you could get a white rump stripe.

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I find this all confusing as well

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