Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: Kam*Kuda]
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09/04/10 09:01 AM
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Doc I stand corrected Rob, It's the same issue
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: The Shadow]
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09/04/10 09:49 AM
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Don't rush into a new case. I tried three when a VB manufacturer insisted it couldn't be his VB.
That was just more stuff to get rid of when I got pissed and switched to something else, glide. I don't necessarily recommend that. Glides are great in some applications but are costly for a high HP peice. Three gears is better than one if you can get the ratios you want.
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: dOrk !]
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09/04/10 10:23 AM
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Will hold up to 6 friction plates versus 4 in the O.E.M. unit. 55%, YES that's 55% MORE Piston Apply Surface Area! This results in double the clamping force needed in third gear - Just what you need for high performance and EXTREME applications.
This is 55% more CLUTCH SURFACE ... not piston size.
You need to clear-up and make-sure of that line pressure !!
Sorry Doctor donkey, TCS has a drum that uses a LARGER PISTON , the outer seal ring is a square cut ring from a GM application , can't remember but TCS sent me one of them to test for them when they were getting it ready to market to see how well it worked.
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Doc I stand corrected
No , you don't stand corrected .
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: FastmOp]
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09/04/10 01:06 PM
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Lmao at the slowest guy in the post has to call people names. Johnrr how much power you making and how many laps you have on the combo?
I'm betting not much of either.
420HP at the rear wheels with roughly 1200ft/lbs of torque, Cummins Diesel at 6700lbs and enough laps to accomplish what I wanted.
If the good doctor understood the link he was reading he would not have claimed the person that linked it and those that have used it were wrong. I'm only uses one of my pet names for my good friend the Proctologist of fiberglass ... we go way back
As far as me being the slowest, so what? there is ALWAYS someone faster, I'm sure you've met your fair share of them ...
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: JohnRR]
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09/04/10 02:18 PM
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Good ole RR ... ... Him and his childish mud-throwing and not actually READING(and using common sense) what I and TCS actually had to say ? .... same stuff - DIFF day ! Name calling ? ... I will not go-down to his level. But READ the direct quote off-of their site ... they mention clutches, the number of clutches and then 55%. I do not know the actual size of the TCS piston ... it could be larger ... but it is uNpossible for it to be 55% larger than the OEM-stocker. The drum itself would have to muchO larger on the OD(it could not be on the ID)it then would not fit into an OEM trans case. EVERYONE here knows RR. He has some decent info between his ears ... but many people think that this positive aspect of him is ruined by his uNprovoked childish behavior. Let me add ...I do think it is kind-of-interesting that he mentions NOTHING about line-pressure .... when IMO this is the most important factor ...and many other people agree. But ole RR would rather act like a little-school-girl in a sand-box ..
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: dOrk !]
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09/04/10 03:39 PM
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Okay boys no need to throw sand in the sandbox. I don't know what the pressure is.We're not checking it until after the autopsy and heart transplant. Leon you may be right and it is the v/b. It would be just my luck to have 2 v/b's that are lemons.
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: 440Jim]
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09/04/10 06:46 PM
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3.8 lever, dual spring servo (old style), ie trying to avoid 2-3 overlap which can hurt the clutches.
Thats what i was thinking,,, overlap issues. trying to apply 2nd and 3rd at the same time ,, with lots of power,, will kill the high clutches in short order. Then again, could be d**m-near anything...
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: Tobbe]
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09/05/10 04:59 PM
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Factory drums have a check ball to prevent centrifugal apply, don't know about aftermarket.
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: JohnRR]
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09/06/10 12:23 PM
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Good ole RR ... ...
Him and his childish mud-throwing and not actually READING(and using common sense) what I and TCS actually had to say ? .... same stuff - DIFF day !
Name calling ? ... I will not go-down to his level.
But READ the direct quote off-of their site ... they mention clutches, the number of clutches and then 55%. I do not know the actual size of the TCS piston ... it could be larger ... but it is uNpossible for it to be 55% larger than the OEM-stocker. The drum itself would have to muchO larger on the OD(it could not be on the ID)it then would not fit into an OEM trans case.
EVERYONE here knows RR. He has some decent info between his ears ... but many people think that this positive aspect of him is ruined by his uNprovoked childish behavior.
Let me add ...I do think it is kind-of-interesting that he mentions NOTHING about line-pressure .... when IMO this is the most important factor ...and many other people agree.
But ole RR would rather act like a little-school-girl in a sand-box ..
Look up the word HYPOCRIT there Mr. Dr. fiberglASS
As far as the piston vs. clutches , ADDING 2 clutches and steels to a 4 clutch pack will not be a 55% increase , maybe 50% , but not 55%.
The piston is larger, I've held it in my hands. Just an FYI I have 6 clutches in a 4 clutch drum with .110 clearance , dry , in the clutch pack. To use the TCS drum with the higher snap ring you might have trim the rear clutch retainer a tad to clear the snap ring , I did it in about 10 minutes in a lathe .
JohnRR is right, I had Marks drum in my hands. The apply piston is bigger and the drum uses all available surface. The groove the stock drum has for the front pump vent is not there and you trim the plastic for this drum.
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: Glen440]
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09/06/10 01:03 PM
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The piston is larger, I've held it in my hands. Just an FYI I have 6 clutches in a 4 clutch drum with .110 clearance , dry , in the clutch pack. To use the TCS drum with the higher snap ring you might have trim the rear clutch retainer a tad to clear the snap ring , I did it in about 10 minutes in a lathe .
JohnRR is right, I had Marks drum in my hands. The apply piston is bigger and the drum uses all available surface. The groove the stock drum has for the front pump vent is not there and you trim the plastic for this drum.
I forgot about that, I'm pretty sure the regular size drum from TCS is like that also, I have one here I'd have to look. They also put the check ball in the wrong place, at least on the early release billet std. piston drum I have , it's towards the middle instead of near the outer edge. of the piston recess and the grooves that the steels sit in are a little tight , the steels may need some minor grinding on the ears so they move freely up and down.
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Re: Getting a 727 to live
[Re: JohnRR]
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09/13/10 08:16 PM
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We got the tranny apart today and checked it all out. All the clutches were good So really all that can mean is the converter has had it. Hopefully my new tcs converter will work out better than the jw.
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