Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: torqueaddict]
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08/30/10 12:15 PM
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got more info? budget? limitations? expectations?
the 2 are totally different and cannot even be compared without more requirements...do you want all out power or driveability? EFI/carb? budget?
depending on the car and what it's got now, a big block might drop in with just an all out stroker build costing $5-6K, but if its a small block car, then you need everything to drop it in, and could spend closer to 10-12K
a hemi driveline out of a junkyard could probably be had for less than $5K...but then you have wiring, custom engine mounts, headers, etc. to worry about.
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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08/30/10 04:55 PM
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gthen you need everything to drop it in, and could spend closer to 10-12K
a hemi driveline out of a junkyard could probably be had for less than $5K...but then you have wiring, custom engine mounts, headers, etc. to worry about.
seems to me that unless you have substantial experience with wring and fabrication, or are willing to learn, you will be into this substantially more to put the hemi in.
wiring work is not cheap, generally, and i'm sure there are many hours involved in doing this right.
but it has been done, so maybe someone with experience will post...
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: az426john]
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08/30/10 10:11 PM
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In MY opinion, go with the 440. Forget about the cost and work involved. Even from a looks standpoint, I walk right past 60s/70s cars that have the new 5.7/6.1 Hemis in them at carshows. Just doesnt look right...regardless of how it runs
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: 69L78Nova]
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08/30/10 10:21 PM
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In MY opinion, go with the 440. Even from a looks standpoint, I walk right past 60s/70s cars that have the new 5.7/6.1 Hemis in them at carshows. Just doesnt look right...regardless of how it runs
I somehow doubt the OP gives a crap about what some random guy on the intenet thinks how his combo looks with the hood popped. 99.9% of the time your car is driving with the hood closed. Build what you want to run/drive the way you want.
The car is already a big block car, do the 440. You will be $$$ ahead and have a better performing combo. Especially seeing how much 440 stuff you already have. If you really want the EFI, that can always be swapped in later.
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: torqueaddict]
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08/30/10 10:47 PM
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TorqeAddict...You will be way ahead to go with a mild stroker 440. If you can assemble it yourself you can stroke, machine and asssemble a 500 inch mild stroker to make 550 hp and maybe 600lbs torque for about $8k and that includes carb to pan,ignition and headers. I built this for a friend's 70 Challenger and he runs on 89 octane fuel. With the AC on it will just boil the tires in any gear. I've been looking at every option to get 600 hp from my new SRT8 Challenger and a supercharger will be $6k alone. I will need to stroke it, ported heads cam and so on plus pay a tuner big$$$ to dial in the calibration. If you go new Hemi you will have to redo accessory drive system for water pump alternator and power steering, rig electric fans, conversion kits for starter as new hemi is on the opposite side. Un less you have big$$$ to spend this is a no brainer. PS I have yet to have a new Hemi catch my 10 second wedge GTX to tell me his engine "looked cooler. I get a LOT more respect from the 10 second time slip.
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: torqueaddict]
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08/30/10 11:44 PM
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I've had all the scenarios you've listed. As to the late Hemi conversion, figure up what you think it'll cost and then double it. The 5.7 Hemi runs good, much better as it builds RPM's. If you had a light Dart I'd be more inclined to lean towards the late Hemi. If it were my car I'd stay with the big inch engine. Robert
'68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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08/31/10 12:49 AM
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Build what you want to run/drive the way you want.
Then whats the point of asking everybodys opinion? He asked for it, and he got it. Yeah, go with the new Hemi then. Drop literally thousands of dollars on something that will run like a mild 360. Thats an apples and oranges comparison anyway. Gee, stroked 440, or a stock 5.7 Hemi. Speaking of, I was thinking about combinations for my Charger. What do you think? Maybe pick up a stock slant 6, or a 528 Hemi??? Hmm...too close to call! Decisions decisions....
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Re: new Hemi conversion vs 440 stroker
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08/31/10 02:10 AM
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I think it's more HP per dollar for the stroker.The $3k hemi is a 345hp engine,the $8k stroker 440 is more like 500+hp.Considering you have a big block installed in the car now,the 440 bolts in,while the hemi needs to adapt.You need a new trans,motor mounts,wiring and an aftermarket ignition and fuel controller if you want more hp,exhaust,etc.it adds up!I like the new hemi,but if it comes down to $'s,you have a lot of BB part ready to go. RT
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