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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DaKuda] #782244
08/28/10 01:51 AM
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Definetly would see about putting more commonly(ARP) performance studs in the buids.....

Guess Mopar was nice enough to me to use somewhat decent bolts in my R3 mains....held up to 2-300 more HP than most of yalls big blocks

Though have stepped up to ARP suds now.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DaKuda] #782245
08/28/10 03:05 AM
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Great post. I had an order in for 5 blocks from a dealer. Cancelled and will now be calling Keith Black. This SUCKS World!!!




All I can say to that is excellent choice.

Keith Black is the BEST choice for aluminum blocks.
Do some have issues? Absolutely..

BUT this company takes care of it's customers..

Check out this thread that is 2 years old. You will see the trend of customer service that is second to none..

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1

If you haven't ever seen a KB block first hand... They are a work of art.


I'm just sayin'


Chris..

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #782246
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Great post! About 6 months ago I was converting a customers B1MC motor (Alum World block) to Predators and found the main studs streching I replaced them with arp. I have been concerned about this ever since and was wondering if this was a random thing, GUESS NOT!

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: 572stealth] #782247
08/28/10 12:09 PM
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have one world aluminum block ..should soon begin the build ....not funny to here this isue
as i was under the impression that i have got an god quality part

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Al_Alguire] #782248
08/28/10 01:47 PM
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SG why is the KB not an option for you? I run one and it works great...




Al, my car's all set up for the World Block. I have engine limiters (struts) that come off the factory motor mounts. The KB block has no motor mounts.

Also, I use the Chevy bolt pattern on the World block to mount the 'Glide. In order to use the KB block I'd need to install new engine limiters somewhere and buy a new adapter kit to mount the Glide to the Mopar pattern on the motor.

I think the KB block oils the rockers differently also? Not sure what else might crop up??

I just don't want to re-engineer my whole car in order to change to a different brand block. Not to mention the added expense of the more expensive block, adapter kit, new engine limiters, machine work to oil the rockers, etc etc.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sg66mopar] #782249
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not intending to hijack, but do any of you engine builders measure main stud stretch? i do. my friends think i'm insane like that, but it's just paranoia.


for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: maximum entropy] #782250
08/28/10 03:06 PM
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We have done a few World block builds with the iron blocks and never had any issues with the bolts.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: B G Racing] #782251
08/28/10 07:43 PM
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I would like to point out that over the years I have experienced failure with hardware manufactured by ARP, but grab another one and move on.




Really?!?!

I'm sure your vendor really likes getting thrown under the bus in an effort to make you seem less....how shall i say this delicately...retarded!?.

I guess I can't understand the logic in purchasing ARP nuts but not studs?!?

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION #782252
08/28/10 08:38 PM
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I guess I can't understand the logic in purchasing ARP nuts but not studs?!?




That part is pretty simple.... cost... plus like they
say now... ARP hardware... they arent lying... just
not telling it all

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: MR_P_BODY] #782253
08/28/10 09:53 PM
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I guess I can't understand the logic in purchasing ARP nuts but not studs?!?




That part is pretty simple.... cost... plus like they
say now... ARP hardware... they arent lying... just
not telling it all





Although it surely was not their intention, I know of one customer that bought the $4,500 aluminum block and saw the ARP on the main stud nuts, and really did think he had ARP studs!!!
Can you imagine that? He would have paid whatever small additional cost there might have been to get a premium main stud like he puts in all his other much less expensive engines!
Are the Ford and Chevy blocks that get the ARP fasteners more expensive than this HEMI block?



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782254
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I guess I can't understand the logic in purchasing ARP nuts but not studs?!?




That part is pretty simple.... cost... plus like they
say now... ARP hardware... they arent lying... just
not telling it all





Although it surely was not their intention, I know of one customer that bought the $4,500 aluminum block and saw the ARP on the main stud nuts, and really did think he had ARP studs!!!
Can you imagine that? He would have paid whatever small additional cost there might have been to get a premium main stud like he puts in all his other much less expensive engines!
Are the Ford and Chevy blocks that get the ARP fasteners more expensive than this HEMI block?





It states in the catalog:ALSO AVAILABLE ARE PREMIUM QUALITY ARP FASTENERS AS USED IN COMPLETE WORLD ENGINES . I would take that to mean you could up grade when you ordered. This was listed for a chevy. No where does it say that on Hemi or wedge blocks. Just 1/2"-13 studs .


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sg66mopar] #782255
08/29/10 06:32 AM
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SG why is the KB not an option for you? I run one and it works great...




Al, my car's all set up for the World Block. I have engine limiters (struts) that come off the factory motor mounts. The KB block has no motor mounts.

Also, I use the Chevy bolt pattern on the World block to mount the 'Glide. In order to use the KB block I'd need to install new engine limiters somewhere and buy a new adapter kit to mount the Glide to the Mopar pattern on the motor.

I think the KB block oils the rockers differently also? Not sure what else might crop up??





Don't know with the wedge version, but on my hemi I had it ordered with motormounts which, now it's in my racecar, I use for limiters too. As far as oiling I just use some '64 alloy heads with stock rochers and stands without any oiling problems. Just had to use external oiling but wanted that anyway. Had zero to complain about my KB.

This on a side note...


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: 72Challenger] #782256
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Great info here, thanks.

I just checked my World aluminum Hemi short block assembly:
- main cross bolts are ARP
- main studs are no-name, their nuts are ARP
- purchased 02 2009.

I try to attach two photos, now.

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: BB 70 Challenger] #782257
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... heh, well, at least I managed to attach one photo... Ok, here comes the other one, I hope:

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DarkSideofNY] #782258
08/29/10 11:07 AM
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It seems I may have stirred up a bit of a "sh**storm", with my well intentioned CAUTION post originally ?
That was not my intent, however, given subsequent responses, and the prevalence of similar experiences from others finding this Inferior Block Hardware and the Main Stud "Failures" @ Load, I would like to clarify a few things.

* I took issue, with the Mating of genuine ARP Nuts, to NON-ARP Studs in the Block as delivered from World Products.
I, like others on here it seems, find this "questionable" product practise ?

* I also take issue to references from a World Representative, of Foreign made Torque Wrenchs as being an "Unfair", but nonetheless STATED, potential cause for the Stud Failures ?

* Lastly, I am somewhat peeved with further references that World "Engineers"?, have determined "those studs to be of sufficient quality".

In Response to the above;
I will be shipping all the Studs in question, which I feel are defective, for a complete Mettallurgical Analysis, both Destructive Tensile & Non-D, Rockwell, etc., etc., full spectrum.

I am lucky enough to be located Geographically in the Oil & Gas Capital of North America, with some of the most reknowned Industrial Engineering Infrastructure & Testing Facilities in North America close by.
They Test "metals & fasteners" all the time, on everything from Blow-out prevention Fasteners to Sour Gas Well Hardware.
Remember the recent Gulf Oil Spill Fiasco ?
We produce more Oil here in 1 Day, than that entire LEAK spilled in the Gulf!

My point being,
stay tuned,
I WILL have a Full Report on the Studs, and their compliance with any "known" Industrial Standards ASAP.
It will some take time, I will report back when completed.

Personally, If this had to go beyond my original CAUTION post, I would have sincerely hoped, and expected, that World Products would have stepped up, and indicated knowledge of a "suspected" supply chain management problem involving Wrong Main Stud hardware, and asked for imput from those affected for some kind of remediation effort ?
Just Good Business in my opinion only.

I sincerely hope, that the Stud Analysis when completed, is NOT akin to a rating of the Cheapest poor quality fasteners available, and NON Compliant with any "known" Industrial Technical Grading ?
THAT, would sincerely compromise any Findings by World "Engineers" of Fastener suitability ?

I Thank You for your time, and apologize to this Boards Onwers, for using up valuable Bandwidth, on what should have been a NO BRAINER Caution report.


Better to be a "has been" than a "never was".
Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Challenger340] #782259
08/29/10 11:13 AM
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BC is the oil and gas and capital of North America? I find that hard to believe.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: maximum entropy] #782260
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* I also take issue to references from a World Representative, of Foreign made Torque Wrenchs as being an "Unfair", but nonetheless STATED, potential cause for the Stud Failures ?




I am not here to defend his post. A few others have made mention that we were accused of using junk Foriegn made torque wrenches but read his post again. He never accused anyone of that if you read it as I did he was not in any way going to lay that as being the cause.In fact I think he was disregarding it as possible and unfounded excuse ,

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I would love to be able to say that there are many torque wrenches that are being used that were manufactured in third world countries and that is the problem, but that would be unfair.





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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sg66mopar] #782261
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have to ask how is the starter mounted when using a chevy bellhousing glide???
and what starter is being used???

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have to ask how is the starter mounted when using a chevy bellhousing glide???
and what starter is being used???




Mopar mini starter in stock position and notch the bell
or if you don't want to notch the bell use CSR without the nose. others here say they have cut off the Mopar nose and didn't touch the bell with no problems


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Personally, If this had to go beyond my original CAUTION post, I would have sincerely hoped, and expected, that World Products would have stepped up, and indicated knowledge of a "suspected" supply chain management problem involving Wrong Main Stud hardware, and asked for imput from those affected for some kind of remediation effort ?
Just Good Business in my opinion only.






I don't think you will ever see that. that would make them liable for all kinds of failures

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