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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Mopar_Rich] #782144
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After I wrote my HEMI book, I broke a World main stud while assembling an aluminum motor. I used an iron World block in the book and had no issues so I talked to the powers to be and they said they did indeed have issues with their stud supplier. But that was over a year back, and they told me that new blocks would use ARP studs.

Than about 4 months back I had another aluminum World HEMI block delivered and it had all ARP.




one would like to think that in today's world of technology a vendor might very easily track down all the blocks using the junk studs and replace them or at least notify the buyers of pending problems. I guess their mindset is by issuing a recall could hurt future sales. A few related engine failures will cause more than that.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: HardcoreB] #782145
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Are we referring to the studs that have the hex/allen socket in the top?

I checked out an iron wedge and I noticed the studs don't have the ARP logo right away...just the allen socket. Haven't really worked with it yet beyond looking it over.



Rich H.

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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Challenger340] #782146
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Thanks for the heads up.
Are these the studs in question? Should they say ARP on the ends?
Will replacing them effect the align bore?
Makes me a little glad I am so slow in finishing my car!


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782147
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Thanks for the heads up.
Are these the studs in question? Should they say ARP on the ends?
Will replacing them effect the align bore?
Makes me a little glad I am so slow in finishing my car!




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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: HEMIFRED] #782148
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Thanks for the heads up.
Are these the studs in question? Should they say ARP on the ends?
Will replacing them effect the align bore?
Makes me a little glad I am so slow in finishing my car!




I don't know if I want you luck or not ?????





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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782149
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Any one on here a vendor for ARP? PM me with a price



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782150
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Will replacing them effect the align bore?





Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: rowin4] #782151
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Hi guys, Im Chuck and I will represent WORLD Products. The ARP stud kit is $112.99 at Summit.
Im also the new MOPAR guy here and am currently building an all aluminum 540cu World HEMI.
So I feel your pain with the studs, I even checked
mine, and they are ARP. Any questions you guys have fire away and I will find you an answer.

The boss over here at World is now aware of the problem and has issued a statement to our foundry where both the iron and aluminum are cast. All if any left non ARP hardware is being discarded.
ONLY ARP hardware will be used and to our knowledge that is what was sold. We are currently going through the HEMI and WEDGE inventory here at WORLD to make sure this does not happen again.

CHUCK

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DarkSideofNY] #782152
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Hi guys, Im Chuck and I will represent WORLD Products. The ARP stud kit is $112.99 at Summit.
Im also the new MOPAR guy here and am currently building an all aluminum 540cu World HEMI.
So I feel your pain with the studs, I even checked
mine, and luckily they are ARP. Any questions you guys have fire away and I will find you an answer.

The boss over here at World is now aware of the problem and has issued a statement to our foundry where both the iron and aluminum are cast. All if any left non ARP hardware is being discarded.
ONLY ARP hardware will be used and to our knowledge that is what was sold. We are currently going through the HEMI and WEDGE inventory here at WORLD to make sure this does not happen again.

CHUCK




Hello Chuck,
What will be done for those of us that bought blocks with the inferior studs? Who pays for the new studs, gaskets, machine work etc. time lost? I paid to have my block align honed with these studs. What happens when I replace those studs with the real ARP hardware?

Mark


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DarkSideofNY] #782153
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Chuck on behalf some others who don't post here I 'll ask the first question. What if anything will be done to rectify costs and or damages due to the problem ? Will they supply the correct studs? What if they have damages due to the studs failing.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DarkSideofNY] #782154
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Hi guys, Im Chuck and I will represent WORLD Products. The ARP stud kit is $112.99 at Summit.
Im also the new MOPAR guy here and am currently building an all aluminum 540cu World HEMI.
So I feel your pain with the studs, I even checked
mine, and luckily they are ARP. Any questions you guys have fire away and I will find you an answer.

The boss over here at World is now aware of the problem and has issued a statement to our foundry where both the iron and aluminum are cast. All if any left non ARP hardware is being discarded.
ONLY ARP hardware will be used and to our knowledge that is what was sold. We are currently going through the HEMI and WEDGE inventory here at WORLD to make sure this does not happen again.

CHUCK






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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: DarkSideofNY] #782155
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Hello Chuck and Thx for the response.

When I called Rich Gorle at World to explain the "problem" with the Studs, he was "accomodating", yet seemed unsure himself as to "how" this inferior hardware had got there ?

That, was 5 weeks ago ?

I got big shoulders, been in business along time, I just replaced with ARP Hardware, re-align honed to correct Mains under the "correct" crush, and moved on.

My reasons for posting the "heads-up" on this site about the Main Studs are genuine, and in response from assistence I've received in the past on here, from Guys Like "HEMIFRED", and to extend HIS SPIRIT of helping others avoid potential problems.

Thx for looking into the problem Chuck, I'm sure you agree that "Chinese" Main Studs, MATED to Genuine ARP Nuts, just ain't the way you want your Blocks entering service ?
I told Rich Gorle the same thing 5 weeks back.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Hemi Allstate] #782156
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Just checked my not yet used world alum wedge... nO ARP on the main studs.
I will assume these main studs where TQ to 100 lbs at the time for line honing and I see no problems with the treads but will replace with ARP just in case.

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I have a new Hemi "Superstock" block, the one without the lifter bores done. I will check my block tomorrow. Jeff, see you at Indy. Dyno "Gold Coast Hemi"

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Dyno1] #782158
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What really scares me is, to properly line hone a block, the caps all have to be fully torqued correctly. Therefore tolerances are now off, and they technically need to be re-honed. How can someone have let this go unless they weren't checking them? Seriously, you have size, but also run-out thru all the bores, and true position, and that's all out the window with bolt torque out like that.


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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Dragula] #782159
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For those of you who have checked and found that your block does have ARP studs, where is it marked on the stud?



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: rowin4] #782160
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I am biting my tongue, since i just bought a new world block 2 months ago. I will wait and see how World treats it customers.

and there are no "ARP" marking on my studs



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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: FHW] #782161
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My reasons for posting the "heads-up" on this site about the Main Studs are genuine, and in response from assistence I've received in the past on here, from Guys Like "HEMIFRED", and to extend HIS SPIRIT of helping others avoid potential problems.




and no farm animal even were involved


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Waiting to hear...

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: snook] #782163
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Waiting to hear...




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