Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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Clutch flite?
Fluid drive more likely.
That's an extended bellhousing block, not much fits it other than the original trans. I think Offy makes some adapters (made?) for trans that are almost as hard to find.
Don't think anyone made a clutch flight for the extended bell setup.
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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Check the size of the ports on the intake and the head.
I dont recall the year, but I think its pre 55 engines have very small cylinder head ports. Seeing as your engine hase the extended bell housing, its an earlier engine.
Intake is worth more than the engine, I would guess the ports on the intake and heads dont match sizewise.
Im not an expert, just overing hearing what a friend of mine says. He currenty has 11 or 12 early hemis.
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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A fluid drive is, essentially, a manual trans with a clutch and a primitive torque converter.
A clutchflite is, essentially, an automatic with a clutch (no torque converter).
The extended bell was to accommodate the torque converter on the fluid drive setup. Not sure when Chrysler first started making real automatics, but I suspect it was not back in the extended bellhousing era. Be some interesting machining to put a clutchflite on that engine, can you post some pics?
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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Check the size of the ports on the intake and the head.
I dont recall the year, but I think its pre 55 engines have very small cylinder head ports. Seeing as your engine hase the extended bell housing, its an earlier engine.
Intake is worth more than the engine, I would guess the ports on the intake and heads dont match sizewise.
Im not an expert, just overing hearing what a friend of mine says. He currenty has 11 or 12 early hemis.
Youre right, I checked today, and the intake's ports are larger than the head's ports. I found the PN on the manifold, its a weiand WD245, I have heard that you really need a warmed up 392 to take advantage of 4 strombergs, it's overkill for a 331. I still think it looks killer, I might try to find a 392 to build instead of the 331.
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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A fluid drive is, essentially, a manual trans with a clutch and a primitive torque converter.
A clutchflite is, essentially, an automatic with a clutch (no torque converter).
The extended bell was to accommodate the torque converter on the fluid drive setup. Not sure when Chrysler first started making real automatics, but I suspect it was not back in the extended bellhousing era. Be some interesting machining to put a clutchflite on that engine, can you post some pics?
I dont have any pics, and I haven't seen the tranny in a couple of years so my memory is a bit fuzzy. It's still in storage at a friends house, and I just never had the time or need to go pic it up. From what I can remember, there was no convertor at all, just a clutch, and it looked like an auto to me. To tell the truth, I never even matched up the trans to the engine, it might be a later tranny that wont even fit on the early hemi, I'm just not really sure. This will probly throw a spark up my rear to go get that tranny though.
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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08/24/10 01:28 AM
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some one has a adapter plate to use a GM manual tranny,,i have seen it,,but dont rememebr who,,
you can also cut the extension off ther eis a kit to do that also and attach an adapter to the block for the tranny of choice,, check over on the H.A.M.B or call one of the many early HEMI gurus,
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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09/04/10 10:56 PM
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That manifold will only fit a 331 or 354 I believe as the 392 has a different stroke and deck height. You could probably build some spacers to fit between the manifold and heads for a 392. AFAIK the PowerFlites were a 1955 intro. and TorqueFlites 1957.
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According to Tex Smith's book, the 392 had a taller deck height, but the factory compensated with extra material on the intake face of the heads so that earlier manifolds will fit. In effect, the spacer was cast into the head, so any manifold will bolt to any year engine (although the 54-up ports are bigger).
The cast-in-spacer and deck height difference does present an intake fitment issue if you try to run 392 heads on a 331-354 or vice versa.
Another issue is that starting in the 1955 model year, the thermostat housing was moved from the intake manifold itself to a separate casting bolted to the front of the engine. Pre-55 Chrysler hemis have water outlets on the intake surfaces of the heads, between the first and second pairs of intake passages; 55-later these passages are on the front of the heads. The later manifolds will bolt to the earlier engines, but you'll have to fabricate plumbing out of the heads to the radiator.
First year for Powerflites was 1954 and they were widely available that year in all Chrysler Corporation models; Torqueflites were available in limited quantities late in the 56 model year for some Chryslers/Imperials, and generally available in 57 for all models.
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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09/06/10 01:44 AM
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if i rememerb correctly,,, don garlits always ran 354 heads on his 392 dragsters
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Re: 331 hemi quad carb
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10/18/10 11:41 AM
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if i rememerb correctly,,, don garlits always ran 354 heads on his 392 dragsters
I have always heard the late 331 (non extended bell engines) and 354 heads were "better" than the 392 heads.
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