Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
car stalling out when I roll up to a stop #770429
08/10/10 01:13 AM
08/10/10 01:13 AM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
My roadrunner was stalling out, or would almost stall out every time I came to a stop today. at first if you tapped the gas it would pick up and when you let off idle fine. Then after a bit, it would just drop dead almost every time. I checked the float level and that was fine, any other ideas?

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770430
08/10/10 02:04 AM
08/10/10 02:04 AM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319
Puyallup, WA
S
StealthWedge67 Offline
master
StealthWedge67  Offline
master
S

Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319
Puyallup, WA
What kind of carburetor are we diagnosing from half a continent away?


LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: StealthWedge67] #770431
08/11/10 01:33 AM
08/11/10 01:33 AM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
It is a barry grant speed demon 850, mech. secondary on an edelbrock torker 383 intake.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770432
08/11/10 01:35 AM
08/11/10 01:35 AM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
any recent part changes or adjustments? Was it running good (not doing this) until recently?


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: RapidRobert] #770433
08/11/10 01:43 AM
08/11/10 01:43 AM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
It would not run at all for a while due to a few wiring problems. The ammeter was removed and the splice between those wires was done poorly, and the wire that fed the ammeter was spliced improperly and that was replaced. Other than that no real problems with it running. I haven't touched the carb at all, but it always idled great. Oh and new plugs (autolite 24) gapped at .035.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770434
08/11/10 05:23 AM
08/11/10 05:23 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 263
Switzerland, Europe
Swiss_Robert Offline
enthusiast
Swiss_Robert  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 263
Switzerland, Europe
Only with warm engine?

Do you have hydaulical valve lifters?

Give it a try and reinsert the old spark-plugs.


After all these years having a 440 I realized that this means having an attitude... and a budget.
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Swiss_Robert] #770435
08/11/10 01:50 PM
08/11/10 01:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
yes it has hydraulic valves, and it was only doing it hot. Another thing I forgot to mention is that when I removed the previous spark plugs two or three of them were loose( only finger tight). I don't think the threads were damaged, as the new ones torqued down fine. I don't think I have all the original plugs.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770436
08/12/10 07:56 PM
08/12/10 07:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
Went out today and adjusted the timing. Could a loose coil+ cause this problem, or maybe the jets coming uncovered? The wierd thing is that it idles fine, and always restarts fine after this happens.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770437
08/12/10 09:25 PM
08/12/10 09:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
Screw each idle mixture screw in until it seats LIGHTLY (count # of turns), take them out, then shoot a 3 second blast of starting fluid into each of the 2 idle mix holes. Reinstall screws (dont swith them from side to side), the right # of turns & try it. Still stalling, turn each mix screw out richer (CCW) 1 turn which is alot to see if that circuit is the culprit. I'm assuming your idle speed is in the ballpark


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: RapidRobert] #770438
08/12/10 09:58 PM
08/12/10 09:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
The car seems to like to idle at 1000 rpm so thats where I have it. I think thats because of the torker intake, and the oversized carb but I'm not sure as I haven't run this combo before.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770439
08/12/10 10:17 PM
08/12/10 10:17 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,378
Rancho Cordova, CA
Exit1965 Offline
master
Exit1965  Offline
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,378
Rancho Cordova, CA
Have you taken the carb apart including metering blocks and checked it over?

Demons are known for QC issues, and I have experienced them on my own demon carb including way undersized secondary jets from spec on a brand new carb. If I were to buy another (I love the idle-eze feature) I'd never think of running one without opening it up.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Exit1965] #770440
08/13/10 12:08 PM
08/13/10 12:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
T
Theorio1025 Offline OP
member
Theorio1025  Offline OP
member
T

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 198
Staten Island, NY
I just tried pulling and cleaning the idle screws. No change to it running. Also the vacuum at idle is 10-14 in. and doesn't seem to be affected by the idle screws. Also can I use holley jets on the barry grant?

Last edited by Theorio1025; 08/13/10 12:39 PM.
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770441
08/13/10 12:49 PM
08/13/10 12:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,023
pa.
D
dan9 Offline
super stock
dan9  Offline
super stock
D

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,023
pa.
i just had a similar experience with an edlebrock carb. my truck idled great and had 19 inches of vacuum. as soon as i put it in gear or put on the brakes it would stall but start right up again. i replaced the carb with a known good one and it is fine now. i didn't tear into the other carb yet to see what could be doing it. it was only 6 months old.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Theorio1025] #770442
08/13/10 12:52 PM
08/13/10 12:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,826
NY usa
5
540challenger Offline
master
540challenger  Offline
master
5

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,826
NY usa
Quote:

I just tried pulling and cleaning the idle screws. No change to it running. Also the vacuum at idle is 10-14 in. and doesn't seem to be affected by the idle screws. Also can I use holley jets on the barry grant?




Yes you can use holley jets in a barry grant along with gaskets, power valves etc....

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: 540challenger] #770443
08/13/10 11:19 PM
08/13/10 11:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,167
Maryland
GO_Fish Offline
master
GO_Fish  Offline
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,167
Maryland
if the idle speed is to low it would stall, but at 1000 rpm idle, I don't know that this is your trouble. If the float level is too high, you may be flooding when the fuel sloshes forward. I read recently that E-10 gas requires a slightly lower float level (I suppose because the ethanol expands easier than straight gas?)


Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph
Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Exit1965] #770444
08/13/10 11:51 PM
08/13/10 11:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,160
Mass
DAYCLONA Offline
I Live Here
DAYCLONA  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,160
Mass
Have you taken the carb apart including metering blocks and checked it over?

Demons are known for QC issues,







....as well as the Edelbrocks and Holley Street Avenger carbs,.....Demons/Holleys seem to suffer from casting/machining debri right out of the box use, or after a few hours run time,...I've come across more than several on customers cars with brand new carbs,....the lack of responce from the idle screws, either one side or both,...disasemble and blow the metering block out with 100+ psi compressed air,...the amount of junk debri and casting crap is amazing!.....the Edelbrocks are best thrown in the trash

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: DAYCLONA] #770445
08/14/10 12:18 AM
08/14/10 12:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,721
Eugene, OR
F
FuryBoy Offline
top fuel
FuryBoy  Offline
top fuel
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,721
Eugene, OR
Demons suck...

Have had 3 of them in my family and everyone has ran way leaner than an equivalent Holley or quick fuel.

They look cool and have nice features but they just don't work. I would ditch it on Ebay or something and try something else.

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: FuryBoy] #770446
08/14/10 12:46 AM
08/14/10 12:46 AM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 893
Tustin, CA
P
pishta Offline
super stock
pishta  Offline
super stock
P

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 893
Tustin, CA
look at the fuel level as soon as it stalls. My Demon 650 flooded constantly, even with a new needle seat. Turns out that when I installed any needle seat (2X) , the bowl would sheer off a sliver of the O-ring and that would lodge itself into the seat. I ended up sanding down a new O-ring and lubing it with ATF before I installed it. Seemed to work, but I rid myself of it shortly there after.....

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: pishta] #770447
08/14/10 08:50 AM
08/14/10 08:50 AM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,287
Dalton, MA
Slipknot440 Offline
master
Slipknot440  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,287
Dalton, MA
could be the gas too. I've noticed my RR stalling out when my engine temp creep over 200. You can look at the ethanol in the gas boiling in my float sights. Or you could juts have a crappy carb, i had to get rid of eddy 800 because it would stall out every time i stopped but was great if it was cool and racing (which are two rarities for me)

Re: car stalling out when I roll up to a stop [Re: Slipknot440] #770448
08/16/10 03:35 PM
08/16/10 03:35 PM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 127
Dahlonega, GA
T
TechAtBG Offline
member
TechAtBG  Offline
member
T

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 127
Dahlonega, GA
What trans does the car have and if auto how much converter?

How much duration at .050 does the cam have and how much timing does the motor have in it at idle?

How much of the transfer slots is showing on the front vs the rear to get that 1000 idle rpm and is the idle-eze open ? If so how much?


Technical Support Barry Grant, Inc. www.barrygrant.com






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1