.060 over 360 or 408 ?
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Hey guys, I got a 360 motor that I was going to be dropping in my 72 Duster 4 speed that was only 10,000 on a rebuild. The good news was it looked real fresh, has .030 over low comp 4 valve relief speed pro hyper pistons and absolutely no ride in the cyliners. The bad news is that it got a little water in 2 cylinders from not having the intake on it and those 2 got a little rust, so theres a little pitting in them. I was thinking about just honing the cylinders and slapping it back together and running it for now but now I'm thinking about taking it to the machine shop and see what they think.
If its not acceptable, I'm going to see if a .060 overbore will get it all cleaned up. The question is how safe is a .060 over 360 for a street car? ITs a 73 motor which I hear were cast using the same 340 mold and can be bored quite a bit. Also how about a .060 bore for a 408 build with a 4" crank( of corse it wouldnt be a 408 then) is that pushing it with a stroker crank?
Was looking for a cheap motor to drop in till I can build a bigger one down the line in a few years so I can concentrate on getting the body and paint done, but if I have to re bore, I'll just try to build a decent motor now.
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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Any idea what sonic testing usualy costs? Ballpark?
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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I dont think .040 will do it, these are the pits!!!
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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I think you would be suprised what even a .030 over will remove, I bet most or all that would be gone, even if you went .030 the rings would slide right over something like that, heck they would probably be fine as is. .030 will remove .015 from each side and those are probably no more than .005 deep any how.
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hmm, I'm in exactly the same boat Just got a mag 360, 500 miles on a 30 over rebuild, and water in the cylinders. I just put wheel bearing grease over the cylinder walls to prevent any additional pitting. I don't think mine is quite that bad, but I haven't cleaned it up real well yet. I'll be watching this thread.
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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Thanks for the input guys, those pits are at the top of the cylinder. My step father said the same thing about it probably being fine to run it as it is, especially seeing as the other cylinders look so good and the rest of the components look perfect, including the bearings.
I'll put up a couple more pictures, see what you guys think. I'd love to be able to put it all back together and run it, I doubt I'll even put 5000 miles on this motor before its pulled in favor of a bigger motor or the cars sold for a new project the way I go.
Butch
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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And heres the second cylinder that got water...
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I'd be willing to bet you can get them cleaned up going to .040 over which is std bore for a 340 (4.04). I would go that route becasue that sort of rust if I knew it was there would always bug me. I would also have it sonic tested. It costs between $75-$200 depending on the equipment, the guy, and your part of the country.
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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It probably doesn't need to be bored. Run it like it is, I 'll bet ya it'll be fine.
I've ran clys that were worse than that with no problems.
Post more pictures if you can.
hone it and put in new moly rings, call it a day. I had a similar issue on 2 cyls on my 318 (wasn't careful cleaning the short block after pulling the heads, then it sat for ~ 6 mo). the machine shop charged $3/hole to put it on their machine and rehone, so I did that, then used new moly rings (cast were on backorder), and have been running the motor for over a year now with no issues.
.060 over 360 with a 4" crank, I'd sonic check, or do a partial fill, because it side loads the cyls a lot more.
if this is a motor just to tide you over, rehone the cyls, toss some new rings/bearings in it, get some comp 901 springs on your heads, use the thinnest head gaskets you can, and run a comp XE262 or voodoo 60401 or 60402.
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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Hey guys, Thanks, Thats what I'm gonna do. I'll take it down to get rehoned, and slap it back together and run it. I'd rather wait till I have enough $ to build a nice motor, the right way in the future. I'm going to cc the heads and see what my compression is and deciede between a Hughes Whiplash cam with low compression, or mill the heads a little and go with a solid cam likeMP 528 or Comps XE274 Solid(always wanted to run a solid cam, ) Glad to hear some of you have been in the same boat!!! Butch
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Re: .060 over 360 or 408 ?
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comp XE262 is a very nice cam with low comp in a 360.
pulls very hard from ~1500-1800 up to 5500 RPM, with great midrange.
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