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That was fun....T&T night with the stick #761309 07/30/10 08:38 AM 07/30/10 08:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	Had some fun at test and tune last night. Didn't break anything, and left there with room to improve. Finally made some runs on the new stick shift combo, and I'm running my old M1 single plane intake for a change. I want to sort this out and then put the cross ram back on. Do a good comparison. All in all, ran a 11.4 at 121mph with a 1.68 60'...pulling the wheels A LOT (for my car). I've pulled the wheels before (2 inches or so), but last night, it was probably 6+ inches of air. Dropping the clutch at 5k, pulling the wheels, and powershifting to a 11sec 121mph time is F U N !!!!

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761310 07/30/10 09:07 AM 07/30/10 09:07 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA O oldiron mopar
oldiron mopar O Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA	nothing quite like it congrats - sounds like more to go 66 Belvedere Vert, 4 Speed/Jerico, slowly, very slowly, getting faster - NA LD Wedge New New Best: 10.56 @129 68 B'cuda 4 gear Jerico - Another New Best of 9.86 & Trying to slow up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4jDLKwd9Gs

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: oldiron] #761311 07/30/10 09:11 AM 07/30/10 09:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 637 Kokomo,IN StripeHOG mopar
StripeHOG mopar Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 637 Kokomo,IN	Andrew Brough D372 1969 Dodge Dart GTS 1.43 60'best 6.82 1/8 98mph "the light came on and I ran out of talent"

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: StripeHOG] #761312 07/30/10 09:19 AM 07/30/10 09:19 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	sounds like a great time, makes me want to put my stick back in!! 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: StripeHOG] #761313 07/30/10 09:29 AM 07/30/10 09:29 AM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 528 Oak Grove, MN lowflyingdart mopar
lowflyingdart mopar Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 528 Oak Grove, MN	Congrats on a fun and sucessful testing session. I'm jelous, it'll be next season before I get to test my stick car. 6112903-IMG_1906.jpg (69 downloads) "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas A. Edison

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761314 07/30/10 03:27 PM 07/30/10 03:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	One thing that I do have to fix is the fact that my engine/trans seems to be moving Backwards....toward the rear of the car. It's been a problem lately, and I even repositioned my mounts (solid) forward about 3/8" a month ago. Well, last night the engine is back again, and the distrib is hitting the firewall and my Z bar is no longer positioned correctly. Looked at my K member and the Solid mount is kinda twisted and has bent the attaching area of the K member. What gives? Obviously I need to rebrace some stuff here. But WHY would the engine WANT to move backwards? What force is in place that would cause this? My pedal pressure is super light, so it's not from the clutch!

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761315 07/30/10 05:10 PM 07/30/10 05:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA O oldiron mopar
oldiron mopar O Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA	The only thing I can think of is the mass of the engine/trans times the acceleration. (or might think inertia) 66 Belvedere Vert, 4 Speed/Jerico, slowly, very slowly, getting faster - NA LD Wedge New New Best: 10.56 @129 68 B'cuda 4 gear Jerico - Another New Best of 9.86 & Trying to slow up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4jDLKwd9Gs

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761316 07/30/10 06:39 PM 07/30/10 06:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Slap a limiter on it and forget about it Man I wish mine was done What clutch setup are you running....I'm going through a learning curve.... Rickster

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761317 07/30/10 08:44 PM 07/30/10 08:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 726 ohio M mike67net mopar addict
mike67net mopar addict M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 726 ohio	Quote: One thing that I do have to fix is the fact that my engine/trans seems to be moving Backwards....toward the rear of the car. It's been a problem lately, and I even repositioned my mounts (solid) forward about 3/8" a month ago. Well, last night the engine is back again, and the distrib is hitting the firewall and my Z bar is no longer positioned correctly. Looked at my K member and the Solid mount is kinda twisted and has bent the attaching area of the K member. What gives? Obviously I need to rebrace some stuff here. But WHY would the engine WANT to move backwards? What force is in place that would cause this? My pedal pressure is super light, so it's not from the clutch! It's probably from when it stood up in the air, it slid backwards Them sticks sure are fun ain't they?

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: rickstershemi] #761318 07/30/10 09:04 PM 07/30/10 09:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: Slap a limiter on it and forget about it Man I wish mine was done What clutch setup are you running....I'm going through a learning curve.... Rickster , If you think it pulls the wheels now, what it off a limiter . 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: joedust451] #761319 07/30/10 10:00 PM 07/30/10 10:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 672 Roanoke Va gearjammerdart mopar
gearjammerdart mopar Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 672 Roanoke Va	Congrats on a great outing. It is alway good to come back home in one piece lol. Donald 69 Dart swinger 417 W8 Liberty 5 speed 6.03 @114/9.49 @141 on motor 5.30 @131 on juice 1/8th mile 28x10.5's at 3200lbs 70 Challenger RT 440 4-speed 4:10 Dana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VowFy4nDdfI

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: joedust451] #761320 07/30/10 11:12 PM 07/30/10 11:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Quote: Slap a limiter on it and forget about it Man I wish mine was done What clutch setup are you running....I'm going through a learning curve.... Rickster , If you think it pulls the wheels now, what it off a limiter . I thinks we are talking about two different things here....by limiter I mean to limit engine movement Rickster

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: rickstershemi] #761321 07/30/10 11:21 PM 07/30/10 11:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	I'm running a McLeod RST Twin Disc clutch. Simply a fantastic street strip clutch. It's perfect for what I do. I'll definately be designing a limiter for the engine movement, that's for sure. Just not sure why it did it. It leaves hard, but I wouldn't think hard enought to slide backwards....but maybe?

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761322 07/30/10 11:37 PM 07/30/10 11:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: I'm running a McLeod RST Twin Disc clutch. Simply a fantastic street strip clutch. It's perfect for what I do. I'll definitely be designing a limiter for the engine movement, that's for sure. Just not sure why it did it. It leaves hard, but I wouldn't think hard enough to slide backwards....but maybe? Yeah, I was very surprised to hear it moved with the solid mounts, thats a little confusing... First outing at the track in my sons truck (mild 360) the dizzy slammed the firewall (rubber mounts) and broke the rotor....epoxied it back together and it's still running... I'm looking at going with the same setup on the clutch Rickster

383man [Re: rickstershemi] #761323 07/31/10 12:40 AM 07/31/10 12:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Good to hear you had a great time. I really used to like bracket racing my 340 four speed Dart back in the 80's. It even seemed back then that I was always one of the only stick cars around in a sea of auto cars. Ron

Re: 383man [Re: 383man] #761324 07/31/10 11:37 AM 07/31/10 11:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	I was the only stick car in the "slick" lanes. There were a bunch in the street tire lanes,...typical mustangs and camaros (late models). Really bad shifting going on over there!...not that I'm some expert.' One cool car was a F.A.S.T. style 60's firebird on Polyglass tires. Low 12's with a stick. That was pretty impressive to watch.

Re: 383man [Re: LAR_414] #761325 07/31/10 12:16 PM 07/31/10 12:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 master
TonyS451 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	Hey Larry - good job slammin through the gears. Thats old school drag racing right there! 2 kids and a dog

Re: 383man [Re: LAR_414] #761326 07/31/10 12:16 PM 07/31/10 12:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 999 British Columbia T toddd super stock
toddd super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 999 British Columbia	The first few times I went to the track, I have been the ONLY stick car there aswell. It is amazing how many people come up to watch "THE" stick car run though isn't it!.

383man [Re: LAR_414] #761327 07/31/10 01:12 PM 07/31/10 01:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: I was the only stick car in the "slick" lanes. There were a bunch in the street tire lanes,...typical mustangs and camaros (late models). Really bad shifting going on over there!...not that I'm some expert.' One cool car was a F.A.S.T. style 60's firebird on Polyglass tires. Low 12's with a stick. That was pretty impressive to watch. Its funny to watch the stick cars at the track as I notice most of the stick drivers are not very good and when you see one really hitting the gears you can appreciate how good a driver they are. Ron

Re: 383man [Re: 383man] #761328 07/31/10 01:21 PM 07/31/10 01:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA O oldiron mopar
oldiron mopar O Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 690 New Hampshire, USA	I like seeing them try - many of the transmissions just don't shift under wot at higher rpms, but at least they're giving it their best shot 66 Belvedere Vert, 4 Speed/Jerico, slowly, very slowly, getting faster - NA LD Wedge New New Best: 10.56 @129 68 B'cuda 4 gear Jerico - Another New Best of 9.86 & Trying to slow up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4jDLKwd9Gs

Re: 383man [Re: LAR_414] #761329 08/01/10 09:45 AM 08/01/10 09:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,832 Fort Morgan 1OFNONE Has been a member for quite a few years, so relax.
1OFNONE Has been a member for quite a few years, so relax. Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,832 Fort Morgan	What track did you go to? Any pics or vids? Hands down, your Dart is my fav on the board and has been for years. 6116170-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.jpg (64 downloads) So the bartender says to the horse " Gee, Why the long face?"

Re: 383man [Re: 1OFNONE] #761330 08/01/10 10:38 AM 08/01/10 10:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio ProSport I Live Here
ProSport I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio	Good job Larry, sounds like a good time! 1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual

Re: 383man [Re: 1OFNONE] #761331 08/01/10 10:43 AM 08/01/10 10:43 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	Thanks....I race it at Pittsburgh Raceway Park. They do a fantastic job keeping traction on T&T nights. My dad took vid's, mostly to see what happens with the rear on launch. That has helped get the thing off the line. Slow motion replay is a big help. I don't know how to get the things to post, but I'll have to work on it.

Re: 383man [Re: LAR_414] #761332 08/01/10 10:50 AM 08/01/10 10:50 AM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto	nice! its good to come back and not have anything broken and have had a good time. Im assuming your runnin an 833? 23 or 18 spline?

Re: 383man [Re: LAR_414] #761333 08/01/10 11:08 AM 08/01/10 11:08 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Thanks....I race it at Pittsburgh Raceway Park. They do a fantastic job keeping traction on T&T nights. My dad took vid's, mostly to see what happens with the rear on launch. That has helped get the thing off the line. Slow motion replay is a big help. I don't know how to get the things to post, but I'll have to work on it. I saw one of your older threads on face plating and pro shifting and have to agree that for a street car that doesn't need to be shifted at 7-8000 rpm it really wouldn't be cost effective....I'm actually staying with a narrower tire on purpose to hopefully limit breakage Sure would be awesome to see a couple of your video's Rickster

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: LAR_414] #761334 08/01/10 05:56 PM 08/01/10 05:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,831 N.E. Ohio 6bblFLASH master
6bblFLASH master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,831 N.E. Ohio	Quote: One thing that I do have to fix is the fact that my engine/trans seems to be moving Backwards....toward the rear of the car. It's been a problem lately, and I even repositioned my mounts (solid) forward about 3/8" a month ago. Well, last night the engine is back again, and the distrib is hitting the firewall and my Z bar is no longer positioned correctly. Looked at my K member and the Solid mount is kinda twisted and has bent the attaching area of the K member. What gives? Obviously I need to rebrace some stuff here. But WHY would the engine WANT to move backwards? What force is in place that would cause this? My pedal pressure is super light, so it's not from the clutch! I had the same problem when I went to a stick. Even tho the 60ft. was the same the "hit" is more violent. What was OK with auto,nolonger worked. Run a pair of struts from the bell to the K-member,or back to the trans/frame crossmember 6117108-QuakerWheelie.jpg (38 downloads) 70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas 9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ! 2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!

Re: That was fun....T&T night with the stick [Re: 6bblFLASH] #761335 08/02/10 09:41 AM 08/02/10 09:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 OP master
LAR_414 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	I'm running a STOCK 23 spline E body trans. No mods inside. I'm definatedly going to run a limiter, I'm figuring that out right now. Thanks for the idea on how you ran yours!

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