Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: drmopar]
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07/29/10 02:16 PM
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Not if i find it first
HOW MANY BLACK A12's DO YOU NEED!!! Lol
Just two Mike! I would be willing to let the FAST car go if we could find another Black Bee
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: badsixpack]
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07/29/10 05:51 PM
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Sean,I'm ok with it,but when you mentioned that there might be some legal issues here, I didn't exactly know what you meant, but I figured that I might have to go to court.I thought if I wired you back the deposit, and just didn't give you the car what could happen to me? I had no idea that you already sold the car to Carlos and signed an agreement with him. I thought you were buying the car. After you told me that, I realized YOU might be in trouble. So I kept my word, and sold you the car even though I didn't want to. It just turned out to be an unfortunate situation for me... But I have no bad feelings toward you,business is business
I still feel bad it all went down that way... I was a car guy long before I was a businessman.
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: GregCon]
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07/29/10 07:12 PM
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I know I'll get thrashed for this, but those cars, while plenty mean, are really over restored. The paint is too glossy and perfect, at least for a car wearing black steel wheels.
It's a little like seeing a young Mike Tyson in a tuxedo.
I appreciate the "perfectness" of a car like that but my A12 with a single stage ppg paint with a bit of orange peel and a dab looks period correct to me. That's how they looked in the day.
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: GregCon]
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07/29/10 08:05 PM
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I know I'll get thrashed for this, but those cars, while plenty mean, are really over restored. The paint is too glossy and perfect, at least for a car wearing black steel wheels.
It's a little like seeing a young Mike Tyson in a tuxedo.
I can definately appreciate a 100% factory original car. but, once they've been touched, there's no sense re-doing some of the crappy work chrysler originally did !!
The way Pete had this car done I would not call "over restored". I would call it "better than factory" or "the way it should have been done had the line workers actually cared about quality"
Now I'll be getting thrashed!! I have some original paint cars that are neat, but they don't hold a candle to the look of my restored cars... each has it's place in the collection though, and the reaction to both types seems to always be positive !
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: smac77]
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07/29/10 10:10 PM
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I know I'll get thrashed for this, but those cars, while plenty mean, are really over restored. The paint is too glossy and perfect, at least for a car wearing black steel wheels.
It's a little like seeing a young Mike Tyson in a tuxedo.
I can definately appreciate a 100% factory original car. but, once they've been touched, there's no sense re-doing some of the crappy work chrysler originally did !!
The way Pete had this car done I would not call "over restored". I would call it "better than factory" or "the way it should have been done had the line workers actually cared about quality"
Now I'll be getting thrashed!! I have some original paint cars that are neat, but they don't hold a candle to the look of my restored cars... each has it's place in the collection though, and the reaction to both types seems to always be positive !
i agree do it right factory paint is teriable with the paint and clears we have now there in no reason to end up with crappy paint unless you are to lazy to sand and buff
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: a12superbee]
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07/30/10 07:02 AM
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I know I miss my A12 Superbee everyday,so I can sympathize with Pete about rethinking selling it. I sold mine for $8800.00 just before the prices of them went crazy. Mine was originally Bamaha Yellow. The car was a beast.
70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi
70 Charger R/T convertible
70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack
69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar
68 Charger 383
68 Charger 318
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70 Challenger convertible
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: HEMI472]
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07/30/10 09:49 AM
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I know I'll get thrashed for this, but those cars, while plenty mean, are really over restored. The paint is too glossy and perfect, at least for a car wearing black steel wheels.
It's a little like seeing a young Mike Tyson in a tuxedo.
I can definately appreciate a 100% factory original car. but, once they've been touched, there's no sense re-doing some of the crappy work chrysler originally did !!
The way Pete had this car done I would not call "over restored". I would call it "better than factory" or "the way it should have been done had the line workers actually cared about quality"
Now I'll be getting thrashed!! I have some original paint cars that are neat, but they don't hold a candle to the look of my restored cars... each has it's place in the collection though, and the reaction to both types seems to always be positive !
i agree do it right factory paint is teriable with the paint and clears we have now there in no reason to end up with crappy paint unless you are to lazy to sand and buff
I don't agree , base/coat clear coat just makes it another incorrect, overrestored, blend into the scenery, boring because it looks like the rest of them , trailer poodle.
The last year I judged at etown I actually subtracted points from the incorect overrestored trailer poodles.
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: JohnRR]
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07/30/10 11:20 AM
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FWIW that (this) low mile Hemi Bee is original paint...original factory paint IMO isn't as bad as some think. If you were there back in the day and bought a new car you wouldn't be embarrased about the factory EXTERIOR paint work or what you mostly could see....... Pete, a GTX? that's an old man's road runner. nice none the less MikeR
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: HEMI472]
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07/30/10 01:37 PM
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I don't agree , base/coat clear coat just makes it another incorrect, overrestored, blend into the scenery, boring because it looks like the rest of them , trailer poodle.
The last year I judged at etown I actually subtracted points from the incorect overrestored trailer poodles.
i dont get it it is NOT 1968 no more. IF you got a original factory paint car and it nice shape leave it alone but if its bad and have to paint why not make it nice? why would you want to copey the original factory paint thats terrabe.orange peel, runs ,dirt in paint, dull? why would you take points way from a guy at a car show that just stupid. it is a car SHOW if someone wanted to see junk they would go to the junk yard not to the car SHOW. thats like say your car is too nice for the car show. just because it has b/c paint dont mean it a trailer queen. dont all new cars have b/c paint
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, or anyone else, lets just agree that we don't look at this subject the same way.
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: a12superbee]
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07/30/10 02:03 PM
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Not if i find it first
HOW MANY BLACK A12's DO YOU NEED!!! Lol
Just two Mike! I would be willing to let the FAST car go if we could find another Black Bee
How about the only known white 4 speed bee?
I'd be interested in that one... me
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: JohnRR]
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07/30/10 02:47 PM
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I don't agree , base/coat clear coat just makes it another incorrect, overrestored, blend into the scenery, boring because it looks like the rest of them , trailer poodle.
The last year I judged at etown I actually subtracted points from the incorect overrestored trailer poodles.
just to show I'm not biased... here's a neat mostly original paint 68 ragtop, we actually had to get sloppy to make a few blow-in's look as correct as possible...
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo
[Re: smac77]
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08/03/10 12:38 AM
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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story
I would say thats "sort of" the real story... There was never a threat of lawyers to Pete... it was more of a concern that Pete and I did the deal, the price was agreed, the deposit was sent and at that point, since I felt I had secured the car, I entered into a legal business contract with my buyer for the re-sale of the car.. and he already cashed in investments and wired me money for it. So... to back out after all that was in motion, could have caused serious problems for me, not Pete... He was a 100% stand up guy and honoured the deal we had in place, more to cover my a$$ than anything.... I'm greatfull for that. Had the situation been different, I never would have asked pete to complete a deal he had second thoughts about...
Even after that explanation I don't see how you can sell a car that you don't own?
Sounds to me you really put yourself into a pickle. You are very lucky that Pete went threw with the deal as I believe the lawyers would have been going after you.
Did you ever take possession of the car and put it into your name?
Have you learned anything from that experience or are you still marketing other peoples cars and then buying after you have pre-sold them?
Does this sort of new age flipping have a name?
Man I sure hate when $$$ gets involved in a good hobby...
Dave
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