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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: scatpacktom] #758252
07/27/10 08:28 PM
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Thanks Tom, Your right,I was really scared, thought I was late in the 4th quarter and might have to move to a warmer climate.. thank GOD i'm ok

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: JohnRR] #758253
07/27/10 11:48 PM
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Flipped to Pete? It was sold to Pete. Little money was made on that deal. Pete did well from what I heard, but that is his business.




Flipped, sold, you say tomato, I say tomatoe ...

When I first saw it offered I saw a figure of 100k being thrown around by the FINDER/flipper ???




I was actually the one who found that car in 2006 when I went to go look at a 1970 dart the owner of the bee had. I didnt know the bee existed when I went down there until I saw the shape under a car cover in his garage. I originally posted pictures of the car at the shop I worked at on here shortly after the car was purchased by a friend of mine and I can attest the to the fact that not a lot of money was made on that car. I loved that car and made some silly offers to aquire it myself. Needless to say I dont have a X9 A12 bee now, just a lowly B5 A12 bee

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: ] #758254
07/28/10 12:08 AM
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Pete, that was ONE BAD A$$ BEE. Cars can be replaced, people can not. Glad your OK. See ya sometime!


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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: badsixpack] #758255
07/28/10 07:22 AM
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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story




That's too bad, the good part, if there can be one is you have your health. I never got a chance to see the car, it's one that i would have loved to see, as I have a black on black stripe delete 383 Bee , it's a great color combo.

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: JohnRR] #758256
07/28/10 08:26 AM
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That car is now in England. Pete sold it Dave. Cool pic for sure!! My old boss Rob owned it and my brother Dave (b5sixpackbee)worked on it.




That's a shame it left the continent , will probably never be seen here in the states again.




Don't be sad chaps, it's only in England, not gone to Mars. It's probably just 'based here' for awhile.

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: TiMopar] #758257
07/28/10 02:14 PM
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Well, I'm a little saddened to hear this car left the States. I'm sure it has a good home, but I'm a little selfish I guess and think they should all stay here in the States. But it may be back someday...

I first saw the car in the mid '90s. I was racing a '70 Charger with a 440 and ran into then-owner John (his last name escapes me right now) with the 'Bee out at Norwalk Raceway. I believe we were both running mid 12's that day. We got to talking and found out we both worked at the Ford Complex. Kinda funny that we both worked for Ford but had old Mopars. He was always a super nice guy every time I saw him, sometimes at Norwalk, sometimes at Dragway 42, and sometimes even at work. He still works there, but we're on different shifts. I haven't seen him in a few years, and didn't even know he sold the car until last year. I thought he had told me he bought the car in the mid '70s. I always loved it, and its the reason I decided to paint my '69 Charger black with a white stripe.

If I see him, I'd like to give him an update on his old car...let me see if I have this staight: Rob bought it from John and restored it with the help of Mike. It then went to Pete in NY, who sold it due to health reasons (glad you're okay, Pete !) to some guy in Canada, who inturn sold it to Dave in England? Did I miss anyone?

Rich

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: 69RTSE] #758258
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john gerreck jr owned the car since the early 70s he sold the car to rob in mi,dave worked for rob at the time. Rob sold the car to me,and I restored the car with the help of hp mike who did all the mechanics, and all the detailing on everything in, and under the car, and in the engine compartment. HP Mike took the car apart,took it to the body shop in pa then put the car together. a guy named Walt from kustom koncepts in pa, did the body for me,hp mike did everything else. I located all the parts,paid for everything, and made all of the decisions. I sold the car to sean in canada,and he sold it to carlos in england. and thats the story....Pete..

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: badsixpack] #758259
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here's one of my new projects

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: 69RTSE] #758260
07/28/10 03:23 PM
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let me see if I have this staight: Rob bought it from John and restored it with the help of Mike. It then went to Pete in NY, who sold it due to health reasons (glad you're okay, Pete !) to some guy in Canada, who inturn sold it to Dave in England? Did I miss anyone?

Rich




Here is the real story....

Car came to my shop as a rolling shell in a mostly unrestored but somewhat "dolled up" state. They polished it up a bit and painted a section on the body. Drivetrain in pieces. Our original intent was to build up a killer drivetrain and give Ed Cook some hell in the FAST class(in a friendly way )Pete, being a very discriminating guy, wasn't happy with leaving the car as-is- so we decided to take it all the way. I took the car the rest of the way apart and sent the body to Walt @ Kustom Koncepts. They were primarily a street rod shop and not really doing restorations, per se. The car was purposely painted like glass including the bottom-that is how Pete wanted it. I rebuilt/restored all the subassemblies, then finished the car here in NJ. The paint work is flawless. The end result was spectacular. The car ran and looked great!

Yes, sad to see it go, but Pete is telling the real story here. He called me every day in the middle of the transaction with a clear case of "sellers remorse". The important part is your health and well being. These cars are cool, but not worth putting them over your health, that is for sure.

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: HPMike] #758261
07/28/10 09:14 PM
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Man when I read something like this thread I am reminded how much I love cool Mopars, how many truly great people are involved in our hobby and a the few guys that you just can't help but roll your eyes and shake your head at.

I am really glad to hear that healthwise you are good to go Pete
Nice T/A

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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: 69RTSE] #758262
07/28/10 10:19 PM
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I first saw the car in the mid '90s. I was racing a '70 Charger with a 440 and ran into then-owner John (his last name escapes me right now) with the 'Bee out at Norwalk Raceway. I believe we were both running mid 12's that day. We got to talking and found out we both worked at the Ford Complex. Kinda funny that we both worked for Ford but had old Mopars. He was always a super nice guy every time I saw him, sometimes at Norwalk, sometimes at Dragway 42, and sometimes even at work. He still works there, but we're on different shifts. I haven't seen him in a few years, and didn't even know he sold the car until last year. I thought he had told me he bought the car in the mid '70s. I always loved it, and its the reason I decided to paint my '69 Charger black with a white stripe.

If I see him, I'd like to give him an update on his old car...let me see if I have this staight: Rob bought it from John and restored it with the help of Mike. It then went to Pete in NY, who sold it due to health reasons (glad you're okay, Pete !) to some guy in Canada, who inturn sold it to Dave in England? Did I miss anyone?

Rich





This is way, way too weird talking about black on black, stripe delete '69 Super Bees in Northern Ohio and Ford plant workers owning them and using them only for drag racing

A few years ago I'm at a local cruise at a DQ and there are usually only a few Mopars that show up because this is Ford assembly plant country. I see a black on black, stripe delete '69 Super Bee with Hemi on the hood scoops and think "well maybe but most likely not a real hemi" so I see the J VIN and the original fender tag and sure enough it a real Hemi! I look at the odo and wow it's in pretty good shape for having 105,000+ miles on it. Just then a guy shows up wondering why I'm looking at the fender tag so closely (I have this thing about Lynch Road fender tags you know ) and I say "Great to see another Mopar at this cruise and unusual to see such a well preserved Hemi Super Bee with 105,000 plus miles on it. To which he replies "Oh that's 5,000 plus not one hundred five thousand. This car was bought by a Ford plant worker and only used for drag racing all of it's life until my buddy bought it ten years ago". I got permission from the current owner a few minutes later to take some detail photos and then met him again a year later to take some more and here's a couple of shots, Black on Black and Crager's TOO with big rear tires just like GTsuperbee knows it should BEE

MikeR


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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: 69RTSE] #758263
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Oops almost a double post. Another shot...




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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: A12] #758264
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Hey Pete, man I'm glad you're okay! Sad in a way that they made a mistake and put you through all of that but thank God that is was a mistake.

Don't sweat the A12 loss maybe it wasn't meant to Bee and besides you're a Road Runner guy and everyone knows they're quicker and faster

Will we see you at the Nat's?


Take care and remember low mile Super Bee's are a dime a dozen......well at least in Ohio


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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: A12] #758265
07/29/10 07:29 AM
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thanks everyone,one day i will find another x9 bee but this time it will be a 4spd

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: badsixpack] #758266
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john gerreck jr owned the car since the early 70s he sold the car to rob in mi,dave worked for rob at the time. Rob sold the car to me,and I restored the car with the help of hp mike who did all the mechanics, and all the detailing on everything in, and under the car, and in the engine compartment. HP Mike took the car apart,took it to the body shop in pa then put the car together. a guy named Walt from kustom koncepts in pa, did the body for me,hp mike did everything else. I located all the parts,paid for everything, and made all of the decisions. I sold the car to sean in canada,and he sold it to carlos in england. and thats the story....Pete.. [/quote

Rest assured, it's in good hands and in good company. Likelihood is that should it be sold it will return to the US, since most Mopar enthusiasts over here are too poor!

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: badsixpack] #758267
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thanks everyone,one day i will find another x9 bee but this time it will be a 4spd




Not if i find it first

Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: XXHEMI] #758268
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Not an A12 but a black 4speed bee none the less.
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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: badsixpack] #758270
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john, the car was a little too much for the street and i hated to sell it. at the time i had been diagnosed with a rare blood problem,so a guy made me an offer on the car,i didn't want to sell it but i thought i was really sick,so i agreed to sell it. the guy wired me a deposit and had emails of us talking back and forth. i got new blood tests that said i didn't have what they thought i had, i told the guy that i didn't want to sell the car now,but he threatened me with lawyers and all, so i had to sell it.and that's the real story




I would say thats "sort of" the real story... There was never a threat of lawyers to Pete... it was more of a concern that Pete and I did the deal, the price was agreed, the deposit was sent and at that point, since I felt I had secured the car, I entered into a legal business contract with my buyer for the re-sale of the car.. and he already cashed in investments and wired me money for it. So... to back out after all that was in motion, could have caused serious problems for me, not Pete... He was a 100% stand up guy and honoured the deal we had in place, more to cover my a$$ than anything.... I'm greatfull for that. Had the situation been different, I never would have asked pete to complete a deal he had second thoughts about...


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Re: black A12 bee "trans by Bruce" photo [Re: smac77] #758271
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Sean,I'm ok with it,but when you mentioned that there might be some legal issues here, I didn't exactly know what you meant, but I figured that I might have to go to court.I thought if I wired you back the deposit, and just didn't give you the car what could happen to me? I had no idea that you already sold the car to Carlos and signed an agreement with him. I thought you were buying the car. After you told me that, I realized YOU might be in trouble. So I kept my word, and sold you the car even though I didn't want to. It just turned out to be an unfortunate situation for me... But I have no bad feelings toward you,business is business

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